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There is no way we can disown anyone from Islam. There is no joining of anything to be disowned from.
We have denounced his actions, but as long as he claimed he was Muslim we have no way to say he wasn't. Every person that claims to be Muslim is accepted as being Muslim.
One reason a Muslim burial was wanted, is because our burials are to be anonymous, no visiting of the grave, no memorial or even permanent markers. Not even Muhammad's grave was to have been marked, which contrary to Islam was done about 100 years after his death.
Also the burial at sea keeps the question open as to if it was Bin Laden. Many of us believe Bin Laden had died long ago .
While burial at sea is permitted in Islam we believe the burial must be the placing of the body in either a small boat or on a raft. We do not believe a person should be buried in any form of container or under water.
There is no way we can disown anyone from Islam. There is no joining of anything to be disowned from.
Woodrow, how about in the case of Apostates and Heretics? Can they be disowned. I know that ISIS and even some mainstream groups have killed other Muslims that practice their religion differently then the way they prescribe.
While burial at sea is permitted in Islam we believe the burial must be the placing of the body in either a small boat or on a raft. We do not believe a person should be buried in any form of container or under water.
We in the civilized world do not believe mass murdering sociopaths deserve to be treated as though they were legitimate practitioners of a religious faith, deserving in death of a consideration that they showed no one in life.
Bin Laden was lucky he didn't get blown out of a wood chipper over the side of a Navy destroyer to the cheers of all onboard.
There is no way we can disown anyone from Islam. There is no joining of anything to be disowned from.
Woodrow, how about in the case of Apostates and Heretics? Can they be disowned. I know that ISIS and even some mainstream groups have killed other Muslims that practice their religion differently then the way they prescribe.
Apostates are not excommunicated from Islam. they were not kicked out of Islam. They themselves stated they were no longer Muslims.
As for heretics as long as they claim to be Muslim it is not for us to say they are not Muslim. but we can denounce their actions and teachings.
Islam is veryy much based upon personal responsibility. We alone are responsible for what we believe, we are not to believe any teacher of leader, unless we our self have verified the truth of what they teach.
ISIS has their own flavor of Islam. It appears to be a very redical form of Wahabbi, which was declared a heresy 200 years ago when Mohammad Wahabb introduced it as a new madhab of Sharia.
Actual Sharia follows one of the 4 Madhabs (Maliki, Hanafi, Hanbali or Shafi'i) under Sharia law there is no earthly punishment for apostasy unless the apostasy entails an act of treason.
I've always found such events to be in poor taste, but I'm all for the freedom to hold them. And senseless acts of violence/terrorism like this make me feel proud when people fight back and dare to "insult" religion. When will Islamists learn that insulting Muhammad doesn't give them the right to murder people!
This event was baiting the Jihadists. Just because you have the right to draw Muhammad don't mean you should. This group acts like Charlie Heebdo didn't happen earlier this year. All sides were wrong IMO.
Apostates are not excommunicated from Islam. they were not kicked out of Islam. They themselves stated they were no longer Muslims.
As for heretics as long as they claim to be Muslim it is not for us to say they are not Muslim. but we can denounce their actions and teachings.
Islam is veryy much based upon personal responsibility. We alone are responsible for what we believe, we are not to believe any teacher of leader, unless we our self have verified the truth of what they teach.
ISIS has their own flavor of Islam. It appears to be a very redical form of Wahabbi, which was declared a heresy 200 years ago when Mohammad Wahabb introduced it as a new madhab of Sharia.
Actual Sharia follows one of the 4 Madhabs (Maliki, Hanafi, Hanbali or Shafi'i) under Sharia law there is no earthly punishment for apostasy unless the apostasy entails an act of treason.
Hey what does an info-mercial for Islam have to do with the OP's topic on the Muslim terrorist attack in Garland? Sounds pretty off topic and off key in this thread. Maybe the moderators should move this sort of thing to a thread entitled "Yay Islam"
There is no way we can disown anyone from Islam. There is no joining of anything to be disowned from.
Woodrow, how about in the case of Apostates and Heretics? Can they be disowned. I know that ISIS and even some mainstream groups have killed other Muslims that practice their religion differently then the way they prescribe.
Before you ask Yes I would be killed by ISIS immediately as would any of the 99% of the world's Muslims that do not follow their brand of Islam.
ISIS is one of they greatest enemies of Islam that has ever been seen.
Yes, they do claim to be Muslim and we do accept them as such. But we do denounce their actions and do see them as our enemy.
As Muslims they will face a higher standard of accountability on Judgement day and will not escape punishment' Unless they repent and make restitution for the harm they have done and sincerly ask Allaah(swt) for forgiveness.
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