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Old 05-09-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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Doing the same thing other less accomplished Ivy Leaguers will be doing, going into Investment Banking or Management Consulting.
Placements in IB and the top management consulting companies is something students at ivies and similarly competitive non-Ivy schools compete over, they are not fallback options for the less accomplished.

Also, frankly recruitment for front office IB is more than a little discriminatory. You're running steeply uphill if you didn't come from money and/or participate in a collegiate sport and aren't good looking, even with "3.9, Harvard class of" under your name. The management consultancies tend to value raw work ethic and mental brainpower relatively more, which makes sense because they are selling the services of their workers, as opposed to banks which when you boil it down are hiring rich people to pitch financial products to other rich people.

edit 2: Nevermind. Don't want to start/continue an argument that's one of the deadest horses on the internet.

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Old 05-09-2015, 04:38 PM
 
Location: The World
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Amazing! Awesome bunch of kids.
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Old 05-09-2015, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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That's very impressive, but what's the reason to apply to all EIGHT schools other than for bragging rights? It seems unlikely that they wanted to go to each equally? And it usually costs a fair amount to make an application.
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Old 05-09-2015, 05:11 PM
 
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That's very impressive, but what's the reason to apply to all EIGHT schools other than for bragging rights? It seems unlikely that they wanted to go to each equally? And it usually costs a fair amount to make an application.
This is part of why you see all the immigrants here. People who know about the differences between the schools and are confident of getting into one will apply to more non-Ivy universities and exclude the ones which don't appeal to them for one reason or another. This comes from another marginal application actually being cheaper and easier than doing the research ahead of time.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:55 PM
 
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What do you bet that there were better qualified, but less diverse, applicants passed over so that some of these 7 could be accepted.
This one is such a lightweight!

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Khalif, whose favorite subjects are the social sciences, particularly history, took as many rigorous high school courses as possible, spending most of her time in Advanced Placement and honors classes. School officials say she has a “stellar” academic record and a high ACT score.

“She works very hard, but she also has a fantastic sense of humor,” Comfort said. “And to a fault, she’s humble. She goes about her business and is a force.”

Khalif is a state speech champion; one of nine recipients from around the world who received the U.N. Special Envoy for Global Education’s Youth Courage Award; founder and leader of Mounds Park Academy’s Social Consciousness Club, and founder of Lighting the Way, her own nonprofit campaign to make education accessible for East African youth, especially girls.

The campaign has raised thousands of dollars to build libraries, mitigate sanitation issues, and provide scholarships to make sure young people get in school and stay there, she said.
Of course, since 30% of the legacy kids applying to Harvard or other Ivies are admitted, they can't claim to be particularly selective.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/le...vantage-2013-6
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Old 05-09-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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Prospect. If you had the education we are discussing you would understand anecdotal evidence is totally unreliable "you met some people who went to Berkeley " Gee glad you go there

Whether it's the American Council on Education or the London Times which carefully ranks schools, Cal and Stanford are right up there at the top Cal is higher
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Old 05-09-2015, 07:58 PM
 
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I'm not saying they didn't earn it, but Ivy Leagues do look at ethnic background as a 'plus' for whether or not they get accepted... so it might explain how they got accepted by all 8. Their backgrounds aren't exactly typical Ivy League material, which definitely explains why there was so much interest.

Is the Ivy League Fair to Asian Americans? - The Atlantic

When there's that much competition, the ethnicity thing is a definite advantage... the schools are actually being called out on it lately. Harvard was hit with a lawsuit just last year over discriminatory admissions.

I'm not trying to downplay their achievement, it's just that stories like this reek of 'land of opportunity' propaganda designed to distract people from the growing inequalities in society, and it always rubs me the wrong way.

Also, the Daily Mail is objectively trash.
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Old 05-09-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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Congrats to them.

With that, this is the problem with these affirmative action type programs, in that many people, even people of their own class, will often view them as getting into these institutions based on affirmative action, not merit itself even though merit itself may have been the only reason. Clarence Thomas has summarized it well regarding his experience.

No one will know what their qualifications were to get accepted, many will just view them as benefactors of affirmative action.
Well, what people should look at is how these applicants end up doing at the school they attend. Clearly, Justice Thomas benefitted from affirmative action, in that he was able to attend Holy Cross thanks to a scholarship for blacks and the Yale official said Justice Thomas definitely benefited from affirmative action. However, he claims that his class rank was somewhere in the middle. If we take his word for it, he did well - anyone who can do better than 50% of other Yalies in his class is impressive.

And President Obama and Senator Cruz, who may or may not have benefitted from affirmative action, both did incredibly well at Harvard Law so there is no question that they belonged there.

That's an objective way to determine if someone deserved to be there.

Mick
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Old 05-09-2015, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Japan
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There's always one that has to come in with an agenda. Yes, I'm sure ALL the Ivy league schools conspired together to accept these 7 random students to EVERY SINGLE Ivy league school.
"Diversity" is valued above all else in elite college admissions. There's a hierarchy in the types of students that are desired. At the top are native-born non-Asian minorities (NAMs), but there are so few of them who meet the minimum standards that many slots are offered to foreign NAMs as diversity substitutes. At the bottom are Asians. The Ivies have a cap on slots for them similar to the long ago cap on Jews. That tight grouping of all the Ivies since 2003 screams conspiracy doesn't it?




http://www.unz.com/runz/asian-quotas...e-see-nothing/

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Old 05-09-2015, 11:11 PM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU
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Honestly, once you get into Harvard or whatever is the toughest, is it really that much harder to get accepted to all of them?
Still impressive, yes.
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