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Old 06-04-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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This campaign should do a lot to promote harmony between the different races.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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an example from the 'wise' one:

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Lie: Black students are especially dangerous. Fact: White students are more likely than black students to carry weapons
too bad the second does nothing to negate the first. and this is from an opinion poll, people can say anything they feel like saying.

I carry a weapon every day but have yet to use it.

/timmyfail
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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That was by far the most pathetic attempt at provoking white guilt I have read yet. And people actually buy in to his BS?
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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an example from the 'wise' one:



too bad the second does nothing to negate the first. and this is from an opinion poll, people can say anything they feel like saying.

I carry a weapon every day but have yet to use it.

/timmyfail
Actually, read it again. Black students are considered especially dangerous despite carrying dangerous weapons less often then their white counterparts. There is an obvious contradiction here that you missed, as one shouldn't see the unarmed person as more dangerous. More importantly, you seem to eager to undermine what this man is saying without considering the worth of what he saying and why he is saying. You're probably just trolling.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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That was by far the most pathetic attempt at provoking white guilt I have read yet. And people actually buy in to his BS?
White guilt? Where you get that from? He merely debunked common held beliefs that are false, some of which has been espoused on this board.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Hmm, those first few tweets listed play with numbers horribly by comparing to years rather than comparing to overall population. The consistent drop in fertility rates across all demographics makes year to year comparisons mostly invalid.
Teen births have consistently dropped across all demographics, but the drop has been much slower for Hispanics and African-Americans, and that is the "growing crisis".
Similar, for the nonmarital births, he uses raw numbers (ignoring the dropping overall fertility rate) instead of using percentage of births to unmarried mothers, which has rocketed upwards in all demographics but fastest among African-Americans.

It should be extremely obvious what is going on with the weapon one.
The murder rate is a similar problematic tweet. Again, he compares by years instead of by population. Yes, the rate is down from previous decades. But the rate is still dramatically higher than other demographic groups. (And among teens, actually higher than 1950 and 1960, but lower than every decade since.)

I am Hispanic. You will notice that many of these numbers are equally bad or worse for Hispanics. But there is no Hispanic Tim Wise out there. Instead, you see dramatic actions being taken against these problems by Hispanic communities, leading to headlines like these:
What the plummeting Hispanic birthrate means for the U.S. economy | Fusion
U.S. high school dropout rate reaches record low, driven by improvements among Hispanics, blacks | Pew Research Center
Falloff in births slows shift to a majority-minority youth population | Pew Research Center
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/01/he...nics.html?_r=0
What's Behind the Falling Latino Dropout Rates? - NBC News
U.S. High School Dropout Rates Fall, Especially Among Latinos | FiveThirtyEight
U.S. death rate from homicide drops to a near 50-year low - The Washington Post
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:41 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Actually, read it again. Black students are considered especially dangerous despite carrying dangerous weapons less often then their white counterparts. There is an obvious contradiction here that you missed, as one shouldn't see the unarmed person as more dangerous. More importantly, you seem to eager to undermine what this man is saying without considering the worth of what he saying and why he is saying. You're probably just trolling.
The statistic used is not a statistic about carrying dangerous weapons, much less dangerous weapons in school, though. It reflects absolutely nothing about the proportion at which students are armed. That's the problem with that tweet. It makes an assumption that the linked study clearly shows is not valid.
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Old 06-04-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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timmy is using strawman tactics. here are some more of his 'lies' that he claims are 'right-wing racist claims about people of color.' i guess we're supposed to take timmy's word that these claims are being widely made by 'right-wing racists' since he gives not a shred of evidence that anyone has actually said such things.

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Lie: Black teen pregnancy a growing crisis.
where was this claimed, timmy? and by whom?

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Lie: Nonmarital black birthrate skyrocketing.
where was this claimed, timmy? and by whom?

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Lie: Black Male murder rate exploding.
where was this claimed, timmy? and by whom?


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Lies perpetuated by white media matters, or these small littles lies matter. Please don't be daft.
maybe you can show us where these 'lies' were perpetuated by 'white media.'
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Old 06-04-2015, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Actually, read it again. Black students are considered especially dangerous despite carrying dangerous weapons less often then their white counterparts. There is an obvious contradiction here that you missed, as one shouldn't see the unarmed person as more dangerous. More importantly, you seem to eager to undermine what this man is saying without considering the worth of what he saying and why he is saying. You're probably just trolling.
Why is this so hard to understand? Even assuming that these "facts" are 100% correct, so what? Carrying a dangerous weapon does not, in and of itself, make a person dangerous. Conversely, one can be extremely dangerous without wielding any weapons other than their fists, or a bottle, or a piece of wood.

If someone is perceiving unarmed black students to be more dangerous than armed white ones, perhaps this is because they have been given reason, through observation or experience, to hold this belief.
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Old 06-04-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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If someone is perceiving unarmed black students to be more dangerous than armed white ones, perhaps this is because they have been given reason, through observation or experience, to hold this belief.
This is the part that somehow escapes anyone that cries racism/stereotyping. Apparently stereotypes are completely baseless claims made up by people with spectacular imaginations
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