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"81 Years, NOT 91 Felonies"
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What's wrong with respecting the religious festival of a country your people are a guest in? Yes, I know technically the US Embassy in Jakarta is on US, not Indonesian soil, but that's beside the point. The point is that Ramadan is a very important practice in Indonesia, and implicitly more important that a (relatively) mere national independence event. By holding the celebrations on the 4th of July (during Ramadan) it trivializes (in many Indonesians eyes) the holiday. Part of maintaining good international relations (or at least 'not bad' ones) is to concede to a nation's culture to a considerable extent. If that means giving in where it concerns another nation's important holidays or other periods, that's what we have to do. June 4 seems like a good face-saving compromise for the US (to the extent that it is face-saving), and there's no rule saying the celebrations have to happen on the 4th. In short, it's more important to maintain good international relations than for foreigners to celebrate their nations independence on foreign soil on its official date.
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"81 Years, NOT 91 Felonies"
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Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by WeHa
They're the same people that give off the impression to foreigners that America and Americans only care about 'merica. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of us because we're 'merica and we're the best ever!
It's arrogant and obnoxious.
Yep, agreed. That is an example of what I call Counterfeit Patriotism. People like this aren't so much patriots as they are just plain asses. This is not the behavior of a so-self-styled "normal, decent, self-respecting person with strong backbone", this is the attitude of a spoiled eight-year-old brat - if not the attitude of somebody bordering on a conduct disorder. That's the kind of mentality I'd expect to run across inside a State Penitentiary cell block when the guards aren't looking. These Counterfeit Patriots are simply an embarrassment to the people of the United States of America.
I'm outraged! America's independence is celebrated on JULY 4th, not June 4th. WTF??? When will the pandering end? If I were the ambassador, I would have held the celebration on July 4th, served nice sloppy pork ribs slathered in BBQ sauce and garnished in bacon and invited all the locals to come join us in chOwing down and commemorating the formation of the greatest nation on Earth, the beacon on a hill, established by the one true CHRISTAIN God. USA! USA! USA!
You must be living in a different 'merica than I am because this country was absolutely not established by or founded upon Christianity.
FYI: Even in America if July 4th falls on a Saturday it's recognized on Friday as a federal holiday and if it falls on Sunday it's recognized on Monday.
It's this attitude and complete disrespect towards anyone different than a "real 'merican" that gives foreigners a bad opinion of our country. Good grief.
Also, a lot of people may not know this but there are tens of thousands of Americans employed by the US Government working on the 4th of July. It does not mean that they cannot appreciate the day or celebrate it with family at another time. It just means Charlie Mike.
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati
1) If that was so, it would be utterly irrelevant, for the issue is not what can be done but what should be done in furtherance of diplomatic relations.
2) The notion that diplomatic missions are the sovereign territory of the sending state is one of those widely-known 'facts' that is, in reality, wrong. Both the land on which the mission is located, as well as the mission itself, remain the territory of the host state. The ending state enjoys a wide variety of rights under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Missions, but the territory and buildings(s) are nonetheless most certainly not the 'soil' of the sending state.
As a practical matter, the embassy is US territory. This has nothing to do with diplomacy between governments. Our government celebrates its most important holiday on July 4th. Ramadan is just a religious celebration. What the embassy staff is doing here is degrading democracy and supporting theocracy.
As a practical matter, the embassy is US territory. This has nothing to do with diplomacy between governments. Our government celebrates its most important holiday on July 4th. Ramadan is just a religious celebration. What the embassy staff is doing here is degrading democracy and supporting theocracy.
No we don't, as I posted above if July 4th falls on a weekend the Federal Holiday is either Friday or Monday. So this year the day the Government will shut down for Independence Day is actually July 3rd.
Of course, many of the same posters calling me a troll for starting this thread would throw a fit over a display of The Ten Commandments in a public square or a nativity scene or Heaven Forbid ! a cross at a war memorial but they aren't trolls for having a fit over that.
And you don't see how that's completely different????? Wow.
As a practical matter, the embassy is US territory. This has nothing to do with diplomacy between governments. Our government celebrates its most important holiday on July 4th. Ramadan is just a religious celebration. What the embassy staff is doing here is degrading democracy and supporting theocracy.
You must be living in a different 'merica than I am because this country was absolutely not established by or founded upon Christianity.
FYI: Even in America if July 4th falls on a Saturday it's recognized on Friday as a federal holiday and if it falls on Sunday it's recognized on Monday.
It's this attitude and complete disrespect towards anyone different than a "real 'merican" that gives foreigners a bad opinion of our country. Good grief.
Of course, many of the same posters calling me a troll for starting this thread would throw a fit over a display of The Ten Commandments in a public square or a nativity scene or Heaven Forbid ! a cross at a war memorial but they aren't trolls for having a fit over that.
No we don't, as I posted above if July 4th falls on a weekend the Federal Holiday is either Friday or Monday. So this year the day the Government will shut down for Independence Day is actually July 3rd.
That's just a practical matter for labor issues.
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