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Old 06-14-2015, 12:16 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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BTW Note the photo - the 'infidel' technology and tools - Japanese vehicles, American media platform. You'd think they might get it - they decry the West, but are dependent on its tools.

West Yorkshire teenager is 'UK's youngest suicide bomber' - Telegraph
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Old 06-14-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Disturbing.
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Old 06-14-2015, 01:50 PM
 
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BTW Note the photo - the 'infidel' technology and tools - Japanese vehicles, American media platform. You'd think they might get it - they decry the West, but are dependent on its tools.

West Yorkshire teenager is 'UK's youngest suicide bomber' - Telegraph
Um, I don't think those tools belong to the 'West', nor are they exclusively developed by 'The West'. That is moronic. I'm reasonably sure that tech companies recruit people the world over, nor are innovations exclusive to 'The West'.

There are many failings to terrorism to find, but you found the most foolish to point out.
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Old 06-14-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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BTW Note the photo - the 'infidel' technology and tools - Japanese vehicles, American media platform. You'd think they might get it - they decry the West, but are dependent on its tools.

West Yorkshire teenager is 'UK's youngest suicide bomber' - Telegraph
You miss the point.

The grievances of ISIS are more than simply a dislike of all that is Western. Actually, ISIS is significantly more insular than al-Qaeda - they're far less concerned about the West than about defeating local Muslim rule that they deem improperly Muslim in various ways.

And to the extent they dislike the West, that dislike pertains to culture, to how media platforms are used (not that they exist). And vehicles? I have no idea why an Islamist wouldn't use an American vehicle, any more than an American (or, for that matter, communists) wouldn't happily put Nazi engineering to their own uses - which is precisely what the U.S. and USSR did after the World War - see Operation Paperclip, the U.S. plan to scoop up as many scientists/etc. from Nazi Germany as quickly as possible.

The problem isn't that they use Facebook while despising Western policy or cultural content, it's that they think the terror-killing of civilians is justifiable.

Failing to understand even the basics of one's enemies is hardly helpful in tackling the serious problem they present.
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Old 06-14-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Um, I don't think those tools belong to the 'West', nor are they exclusively developed by 'The West'. That is moronic. I'm reasonably sure that tech companies recruit people the world over, nor are innovations exclusive to 'The West'.

There are many failings to terrorism to find, but you found the most foolish to point out.
The fact that the Islamists are largely dependent on 'infidel technology' goes a long way toward undermining their raison d'etre. Of course tech companies recruit people from the world over - but the processes that allow that innovation are far removed from the caves - or tenets of Tora Bora or the madrassas of Peshawar. Development may not be exclusive to the secular West (though in fact it largely is - here I include Japan) but what has Islam done lately? Every time the Islamists use the tools of the devil they despise, one some level - they lose.
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Old 06-14-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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You miss the point.

The grievances of ISIS are more than simply a dislike of all that is Western. Actually, ISIS is significantly more insular than al-Qaeda - they're far less concerned about the West than about defeating local Muslim rule that they deem improperly Muslim in various ways.

And to the extent they dislike the West, that dislike pertains to culture, to how media platforms are used (not that they exist). And vehicles? I have no idea why an Islamist wouldn't use an American vehicle, any more than an American (or, for that matter, communists) wouldn't happily put Nazi engineering to their own uses - which is precisely what the U.S. and USSR did after the World War - see Operation Paperclip, the U.S. plan to scoop up as many scientists/etc. from Nazi Germany as quickly as possible.

The problem isn't that they use Facebook while despising Western policy or cultural content, it's that they think the terror-killing of civilians is justifiable.

Failing to understand even the basics of one's enemies is hardly helpful in tackling the serious problem they present.
Cheers for the redundant 'lecture' on culture vs. technology.
Yes of course, the Sunni dislike of Shia is largely a contributor for the rush toward so-called IS.
An Islamist might well use an American (or Japanese) vehicle, the point is that unlike the Americans and Soviets you cite, the Islamists have no alternative - their moribund superstition - the same that encourages the terrorist killing you refer to - has left them dependent on others.
A failure to understand one's enemies weaknesses, only gives them succor.

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