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Old 07-16-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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There's no discrimination: it's just a skill.
Likewise, I can't be a doctor without proper training, similarly an employer won't hire if you don't speak Spanish, if Spanish is a skill he deems necessary.
Most jobs related to sale, trade and commerce in Europe demands people to know English, nothing to fuss about.
No comparison to the skill needed to be a doctor. Anyone who wants to go to medical school can do so. There is no discrimination. The only reason that Spanish is being required to get many different jobs in this country today is directly due to illegal immigration and that is the problem. English is the business language of the world. Spanish is not.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Mexico is composed of people that are descend from native americans(aztec,mayan,pueblo,hopi...etc) and european settlers. The whole United states was never a british colony, don't you know is history. There were only thirteen british colonies, the rest of what is today US, belong to the spanish, french,and other european settlers. Spain didn't steal from native americans and give it to Mexico, mexico people are part native american.
No such thing as a native American back then. Mexico's indo ancestors settled south of our border so they have no claims on this country based on that.
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Old 07-17-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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No such thing as a native American back then. Mexico's indo ancestors settled south of our border so they have no claims on this country based on that.

NOPE. 'South of our border'??? LOL
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Old 07-17-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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NOPE. 'South of our border'??? LOL

What?
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Old 07-18-2015, 12:52 AM
 
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. Bilingual skills, notably Spanish/English, is an excellent skill to have in today's American job marketplace.

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Old 07-20-2015, 07:17 AM
 
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No such thing as a native American back then.
How do you figure that?


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Mexico's indo ancestors settled south of our border
That depends on what you mean. If you mean "citizens of Mexico," then okay. If you mean "people of Hispanic origin whose first language is Spanish," then no. I have in-laws who grew up speaking Spanish as their first language. Their family has been in the area around Albuquerque and Los Lunas (both United States cities) since the 1600s. The same is true of many families in California, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, and other parts of New Mexico.


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so they have no claims on this country based on that.
Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean "citizens of Mexico cannot claim citizenship to the U.S. because their ancestors were there first," then yeah, you're right. If you mean "Hispanics ought to stay in Mexico where they belong" (and I don't think you do), then no. That's wrong.

Citizenship is a big complicated process that government bureaucracies make even more needlessly complicated. But "who was here first" doesn't really apply. Because if you follow that to its logical conclusion, all white people need to head back to Europe, all black people to Africa, all Asian people to Asia, etc., etc., etc. That isn't just no longer feasible. It's illogical and stupid.

But I have heard the argument from some anti-immigration or "English only" folks that Hispanics need to stay in Mexico and South America because the white folks got the U.S. first. And that is just as illogical and stupid because it isn't true. There have been Hispanics in the Southwest and Western U.S. far longer than their have been so-called "white" Europeans.
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Old 07-20-2015, 07:44 AM
 
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How do you figure that?




That depends on what you mean. If you mean "citizens of Mexico," then okay. If you mean "people of Hispanic origin whose first language is Spanish," then no. I have in-laws who grew up speaking Spanish as their first language. Their family has been in the area around Albuquerque and Los Lunas (both United States cities) since the 1600s. The same is true of many families in California, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, and other parts of New Mexico.




Not sure what you mean by that. If you mean "citizens of Mexico cannot claim citizenship to the U.S. because their ancestors were there first," then yeah, you're right. If you mean "Hispanics ought to stay in Mexico where they belong" (and I don't think you do), then no. That's wrong.

Citizenship is a big complicated process that government bureaucracies make even more needlessly complicated. But "who was here first" doesn't really apply. Because if you follow that to its logical conclusion, all white people need to head back to Europe, all black people to Africa, all Asian people to Asia, etc., etc., etc. That isn't just no longer feasible. It's illogical and stupid.

But I have heard the argument from some anti-immigration or "English only" folks that Hispanics need to stay in Mexico and South America because the white folks got the U.S. first. And that is just as illogical and stupid because it isn't true. There have been Hispanics in the Southwest and Western U.S. far longer than their have been so-called "white" Europeans.
All of our ancestors migrated here from somewhere else including those referred to as Native Americans. No one was native to this country/continent back then.

Of course I meant the citizens of Mexico. And yes, they can claim citizenship here if they come here legally to do so. I was speaking of the Reconquista type that violates our borders illegally and thinks they have claim on our country based on some history of the past. It doesn't matter how long ago one's ancestors came here. English became our national de facto language. Seems like it is mostly native Spanish speakers that are the one's that have an aversion to making English their primary language of usage though.

Anti-"immigration"? Um no, anti-illegal immigration. It's not English "only". It is English as our official language. No one is saying that Hispanics have to remain in their countries just that they come here legally. Hispanics from Europe were and are white. I think you are confusing them with the mixed race with indo that most Mexicans and other Latinos are. Hispanic is a culture not a race.
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Old 07-20-2015, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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lo siento no Inglés
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Old 07-20-2015, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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When this topic comes up you always hear.."Well then learn Spanish".
How come it's never the other way around.."Well then learn English" ?
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Old 07-20-2015, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Ca2Mo2Ga2Va!
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press 1 for english has been around for a long time now
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