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Old 07-14-2015, 05:17 AM
 
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Leaked Document: Nearly One-Third Of 847,000 Veterans In Backlog For VA Health Care Already Died



I guess we are simply the fodder to keep the elites in power.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:21 AM
 
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And people want a single payer system so the government can be in charge of everyone's health.
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Old 07-16-2015, 04:24 AM
 
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And people want a single payer system so the government can be in charge of everyone's health.
It works in Canada....I don't know why it would not work here. I think our gov't has become extremely inefficient.
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Old 07-16-2015, 05:15 AM
 
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Ask any of us who are in the VA system what it is like...ridiculous amounts of repetitive paperwork, phone calls, incompetent workers, etc. It's a disgrace to those who have served in the military to be treated like this. What has changed since the big whoha...nothing. Most importantly remember if you work for the government you can't be fired, yes it is in their union contract. So why bother to do well and make a difference.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Ask any of us who are in the VA system what it is like...ridiculous amounts of repetitive paperwork, phone calls, incompetent workers, etc. It's a disgrace to those who have served in the military to be treated like this. What has changed since the big whoha...nothing. Most importantly remember if you work for the government you can't be fired, yes it is in their union contract. So why bother to do well and make a difference.
Exactly. My daughter worked in a VA hospital for 6 years. Once someone has been employed there for a year it is virtually impossible to get fired.

She worked with some extraordinary people who worked long hours and were dedicated. These workers were so necessary to make up for the overpaid sloths that were everywhere collecting a paycheck and showing no dedication to the Veterans or their job.
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Lake Grove
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Maybe they should blame George Bush. Oh, wait, he's not in charge anymore, and hasn't been for 6 years. Who's running things? A democrat? Nothing to see here, move along.....
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:53 AM
 
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Maybe they should blame George Bush. Oh, wait, he's not in charge anymore, and hasn't been for 6 years. Who's running things? A democrat? Nothing to see here, move along.....
Right, because all the problems in the VA system started 6 years ago . . . . . It was fantastic before then. Although, I must say, Mr. Bush increased the patients in the VA system by thousands and thousands with his misguided wars, thereby contributing immensely to the backlog. You know, war = more injured soldiers.

Besides, the VA is a huge bureaucracy, not politicized at all. Just a plain disgrace.

Mick
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Old 07-16-2015, 06:59 AM
 
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To be fair, the article implies that the veterans die because they couldn't get urgent medical care from the VA. Definitely not all of them. So for example, if Dave dies from a car accident or natural causes while on the VA waitlist, he is included in this stat even though his death had nothing to do with the VA waitlist. Also, many of these folks couldn't or didn't want to wait (can't blame them), so they gave up and used private insurance.

But any way, it is pathetic.

Mick
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Old 07-16-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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It works in Canada....I don't know why it would not work here. I think our gov't has become extremely inefficient.
I love how the supporters of single payer essentially say, "Our government is extremely efficient and could run a national healthcare system. This is proven by ignoring the only national healthcare system our government runs, the VA, and look elsewhere. Sure our government is doing a crappy job of it, but if you look at Canada you can see how well our government would do at it."
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Old 07-16-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Lake Grove
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Right, because all the problems in the VA system started 6 years ago . . . . . It was fantastic before then. Although, I must say, Mr. Bush increased the patients in the VA system by thousands and thousands with his misguided wars, thereby contributing immensely to the backlog. You know, war = more injured soldiers.

Besides, the VA is a huge bureaucracy, not politicized at all. Just a plain disgrace.

Mick

They blame him for everything else, why not this, too?
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