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Old 07-23-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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I am still solidly pro-choice. The edited video meant to spin the conversation into something sinister did not sway me at all. They were discussing the handling of tissue that the patient themselves chose to donate and the proper compensation of the costs associated with doing so.

Anyone who finds it shocking that they could discuss such things over lunch has obviously never spent much time with anyone in the medical community.
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Old 07-23-2015, 09:55 AM
 
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I am a conservative who has always been pro choice
thanks to this planned parenthood, and the way libs have supported them and put spins on this story, I am pro life...will probably never side with pro choicers again
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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I am pro choice.
That story is very misleading.
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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I am a conservative who has always been pro choice
thanks to this planned parenthood, and the way libs have supported them and put spins on this story, I am pro life...will probably never side with pro choicers again
You don't like Planned Parenthood the organization and the fact that "libs" are defending them against a story that was SPIN TO BEGIN WITH...so you are changing your stance on the macro issue of abortion rights?
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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I am still solidly pro-choice. The edited video meant to spin the conversation into something sinister did not sway me at all. They were discussing the handling of tissue that the patient themselves chose to donate and the proper compensation of the costs associated with doing so.

Anyone who finds it shocking that they could discuss such things over lunch has obviously never spent much time with anyone in the medical community.
Ain't that the truth! My sister, a nurse, used to tell the most disgusting stories over dinner. Things like ladling pus out of abdominal abscesses, yuck.
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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You don't like Planned Parenthood the organization and the fact that "libs" are defending them against a story that was SPIN TO BEGIN WITH...so you are changing your stance on the macro issue of abortion rights?
Ive always been borderline
its murder but I don't think back alley illegal abortions is the answer so despite my personal beliefs, politically Ive leaned pro choice

this planned parenthood debacle is NOT some spun story...have you watched these videos??
its disgusting how callous these people are

I simply think the pro choicers have gone too far to the extreme, planned parenthood is just ONE example...there should be outrage

something Obama said when he ran against McCain, and I am NO Obama fan...he said "NO ONE is pro-abortion"...and I thought that was an excellent point...its a crappy solution to an even crappier problem, and currently its probably the best we can do until lots of other things change...however over the past few years I have listened to lefty looseys who actually make me think they are PRO ABORTION

is it hard to believe that peoples political beliefs are NOT stagnant...that they fluxuate?
Hell I lean to the left more when we have a repub in office, and vice versa
I think there are times when our government needs to tighten its belts and be more conservative, and there are OTHER times when they need to loosed the purse strings and be more progressive

as a conservative I think Bill Clinton did an awesome job of tightening and loosening the purse strings...wont mention the other things slick willy loosened LOL
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Old 07-23-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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Ive always been borderline
its murder but I don't think back alley illegal abortions is the answer so despite my personal beliefs, politically Ive leaned pro choice

this planned parenthood debacle is NOT some spun story...have you watched these videos??
its disgusting how callous these people are

I simply think the pro choicers have gone too far to the extreme, planned parenthood is just ONE example...there should be outrage
I have watched the videos. They were certainly edited to attempt to create an illusion. I agree that the conversation was callous, but I do not believe it was sinister nor were there ill intents. People who have abortions sometimes elect to donate the tissue to research as is their right. Such donations need to be managed and it is up to the institute receiving the tissue to compensate for the costs involved. The shock value is that people would discuss such a thing over lunch, but like I said, listen to anyone in the medical community and you will hear some pretty gruesome and callous discussions over lunch. They were ultimately conducting business.

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something Obama said when he ran against McCain, and I am NO Obama fan...he said "NO ONE is pro-abortion"...and I thought that was an excellent point...its a crappy solution to an even crappier problem, and currently its probably the best we can do until lots of other things change...however over the past few years I have listened to lefty looseys who actually make me think they are PRO ABORTION
I agree that no one is really pro-abortion (though I have also seen some who certainly leave me with the impression that they might be; these are generally the super-granola humans are killing the planet types). I do not know if I would personally choose an abortion if in a situation where that was an option. Ultimately it is the ability to choose that I support.

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is it hard to believe that peoples political beliefs are NOT stagnant...that they fluxuate?
Hell I lean to the left more when we have a repub in office, and vice versa
I think there are times when our government needs to tighten its belts and be more conservative, and there are OTHER times when they need to loosed the purse strings and be more progressive

as a conservative I think Bill Clinton did an awesome job of tightening and loosening the purse strings...wont mention the other things slick willy loosened LOL
Fair enough, peoples opinions and beliefs are allowed to change. I just find is strange that not liking one organization would influence someones overall beliefs on an issue such as abortion. It was basically "I don't like Planned Parenthood because 'libs' like Planned Parenthood, so I'm changing my entire stance on abortion." It just wasn't logical to me.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:25 AM
 
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I will never understand this line of reasoning. If one believes abortion is killing a viable human baby how does the circumstance of how that egg was fertilized make killing it ok. How does sacrificing the life of a baby to save its mother become ok. What if a mother needed a liver transplant, would it be ok to take her child's to save her. I don't understand how the morality of abortion can be conditional. Is it killing a BABY or not?
I don't understand how you don't understand how a woman wouldn't want to have a baby whose conception was a result of rape, or how saving a fetus whose mother will cease to exist if it's not aborted is somehow more important than saving the life of an adult woman who may already be a contributing member to society not to mention someones wife/mother/daughter/sister/aunt/etc. and could potentially conceive another child in the future. If you were a mother of 2 and happily married, would you really sacrifice your life at the expense of the rest of your family losing you? There is no logic behind that.

I mean, those are really, really basic ideas. How you don't understand them is bewildering to say the least
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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I don't understand how you don't understand how a woman wouldn't want to have a baby whose conception was a result of rape, or how saving a fetus whose mother will cease to exist if it's not aborted is somehow more important than saving the life of an adult woman who may already be a contributing member to society not to mention someones wife/mother/daughter/sister/aunt/etc. and could potentially conceive another child in the future. If you were a mother of 2 and happily married, would you really sacrifice your life at the expense of the rest of your family losing you? There is no logic behind that.

I mean, those are really, really basic ideas. How you don't understand them is bewildering to say the least
He or she did not think it through. There are some pregnancies that are not viable and where both the mother and baby will die due to the location of the egg. Regardless, the idea that it is morally wrong to have an abortion when the mother is likely to die is a problem that indicates a flaw in reasoning where the heart becomes too involved and fails to understand the process. We have a culture that glorifies babies and young children as being more important than those that are older.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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I don't understand how you don't understand how a woman wouldn't want to have a baby whose conception was a result of rape, or how saving a fetus whose mother will cease to exist if it's not aborted is somehow more important than saving the life of an adult woman who may already be a contributing member to society not to mention someones wife/mother/daughter/sister/aunt/etc. and could potentially conceive another child in the future. If you were a mother of 2 and happily married, would you really sacrifice your life at the expense of the rest of your family losing you? There is no logic behind that.

I mean, those are really, really basic ideas. How you don't understand them is bewildering to say the least
Well...bears will eat their young as opposed to starving to death in the winter...natures reasoning of course is the bear lives it can make more cubs...

I agree with rape, incest, where the mothers life is in serious risk...its a tough decision...
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