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Ignorance is ASTOUNDING and more common place than ever in the American Society - Denials and Deflections run rampant and the truth is buried under the hubris of ethnicity madness in the pursuit to seek ethnicity exemptions. the more this silliness of denials find ways to deflect from facts and realism - the more the crazines can roam around "undetected".
Everyone wants to suddenly become a clinical psychologist, when the actions of the perp- is that of a plain and simple "KILLER" and the result of their actions is - they have "killed", wounded and maimed others.
No one wants to report the nut cases when they see them, but after the fact everyone is an authority as to the person being more a mental case, rather than simply seeing them as a cold blooded 'KILLER". Such madness seeks by process to provide an alibi and de emphasis the 'killer activity the person engaged as being a killer who "PLANNED TO KILL".
Yes, there are many more of such "among us now"; continue to blind yourself and push delusions of ethnicity exclusions, and you just may become or be the next victim.
Today, among the Ethnicity Ignorance" where one group wants to hold on to being the non suspect group, while madness rages along inside, they look upon the other side as if everyone is looked at as being suspect.
Results show that often the non suspect, not only becomes the dominant mass murderers, who damage the sancity of public spaces and places, where as the side of those suspect, often kill each other in ego fits and fear cycles, or the madness of money and the delusion of limited community power as such of the variety of ethnic gang like violences that now plague big and small cities.
The expanding atrocity is now filled with sickening things; "family murder" is on the rise, men killing women, because he's too ignorant to leave her alone, and women killing men for similar and other reasons of ignorance to simply leave and avoid as best as possible the situations. Kids killing parents as so many are raised with vanity and materialism as their measure, either they want stuff or have too much stuff, or measure themselves by stuff both which they have or don't have.
We still train the bully mentality and do so without even a thought of the things that come out of our mouths around the presence of children. We can see the bully mentality in ones own child, and the parent tries to gloss over it and blame it on everything other than the fact their child is a bully. some try and instill in their kids the bully mindset, and delude themselves to call it teaching one how to stand up. They each failed to focus on -teaching their child communication skills and how to develop skills for better use of "understanding".
People are now "generally SLOPPY", they are sloppy in their public presentation of self, they are sloppy even in the general work environment, and they are sloppy in so many ways within the broader community of society.
neatness and personal public manner has suffered greatly in the recent past decades, the script and message in the music is now madness, the tones are harsh crashing melodies into chaos.
We have countless hours spent on "killer training programs", we call them "games". Ultimately they desentizethe society to the violence of death making actions.
We as a society no longer "talk with each other" - everything becomes an exchange of challenges and attempts to out wit another - then we wonder why there is such shallowness in associations, contentions in meeting and get together, all followed by casting each other in 'small boxes, created in our minds". Then; we cry that 'Friends are few".
One has to be a Friend to Make a Friend- They themselves then become as well as Friend unto others.
Fears make one decieve in their aims to avoid being decieved, the end result is "no one is believed" !!!!!!!
Be Aware !!! there are "KILLERS" among our very midist - We shall learn to be of awareness- do not fall into wishful fantasy of any delusion of a utopia, yet do not live your life in constant paranoia.
When we pay attention, we become of attentions to be and become aware.
Today, kids lure, and snare those whom they prey upon, as such wickedness is long before seen in the manner, demeanor and conduct, of such a child. Do not dismiss it away, once it is acknowledged, nor be blinded by the "my child" mentality as to not see what is visibly being displayed and developed. It takes much work to groom and guide a child in the ways of righteous living !!!!!!!!
Work dilligently to remain Aware , that you do not become one who is a killer, work to ensure you do not raise one who becomes a killer, and be of awareness that you do not expose yourself to the presence of those whom are motivated to be and become a killer.
There are no guarantee's, but awareness can surely provide one with a level of precautions.
Do Not be of ease to confuse easily those with mental maladies, with those who are simply "raw killers of other mankind".
Last edited by Chance and Change; 07-24-2015 at 08:20 AM..
That statement is wrong on so many levels. Yeah sure, KNOWN concealed carriers would be no deterrent to a suicidal maniac ...... If your theory held any water we should had multiple news stories every year of these fearless suicidal maniacs doing something like this:
In todays news crazy gun toting man attempts to shoot up a _________
Military compound, police station, gun range, gun show, NRA meeting etc.
Funny how they never try to shoot up these places huh? You forget that they are suicidal and not morons. They want to cause as much damage as possible with the least amount of resistance. For example, if the man from this scenario hypothetically saw two movie screening next to each other one with the following signs:
This screening has 12 people who are concealed carrying.
Or
This screening has 0 people who are concealed carrying.
Which theater would he walk into to shoot people up? I think the answer is obvious.
We do have two recent incidents of the "suicidal maniac" shooting up a police station and a military compound.
The most interesting part of the Chattanooga shooting is this part which people have been ignoring...
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A Navy officer and a Marine fired their sidearms hoping to kill or subdue the gunman who murdered five service members last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, according to multiple military officials familiar with internal reporting on the tragedy.
It remains unclear whether either hit Muhammad Abdulazeez, who was shot and killed by police on July 16 after he gunned down four Marines and a sailor at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga.
This should be the ultimate "good guy with gun" shouldn't it? Read other news reports and you will find that these ARMED SERVICE MEMBERS engaged the shooter BEFORE he had killed anyone at the base. They were unable to stop him and there is speculation that one of the Marines who was killed had been one of these armed men who fought back. That's a very different narrative then originally came out.
So, let's get over the BS about people not attacking "hard" targets or that "good guys with guns" will always stop or deter a criminal. They won't.
Your macro point is logical though, assuming the person involved in the planning is also logical. Attacking a "soft" target makes sense. The other correlation is that these also happen to be places where large numbers of people gather. Of course, most mass shooters aren't very logical. Based on research after the acts were committed none had specifically chosen their targets because they thought people there wouldn't be armed. They picked them because of the symbolism, the amount of people in one area or other reasons. Basically, whether or not armed people were around didn't enter into the thought process.
I am pro gun control, not because I think it will stop these kinds of shootings, it most likely won't. I am pro gun control because I think it will help stop the thousands of other gun deaths that occur. Deaths at the hands of criminals who attain their guns through blackmarket channels, almost all of which universally started out as legally purchased firearms. I think there are some very clear steps we can take...
1. All firearms purchasers need to be licensed in order to buy. This involves taking a test, demonstrating knowledge of basic safety and control, background checks and mental health screenings. It needs to be renewed every so often and that renewal can be streamlined. Think like a drivers license. There would be different levels of license for different types of firearms. This license would be valid in all 50 states.
2. Every individual firearm is registered to its owner in a national database. If you want to sell or purchase a gun private party, the registration needs to be transferred to the new owner. This transfer can be done at a police station or through a firearms dealer. Gun owners are responsible for their firearms at all times and can be charged with accessory if one of their guns is used in a crime if it can be proven that they committed some form of negligence.
3. There would be limits on the types of firearms allowed for private ownership as well as limits on things like magazine size. However, these regulations would be universal to all 50 states and all 50 states would allow concealed carry, assuming the persons license contained the CCW provision and they had been properly trained.
You have to take care of your own safety. You cannot count on people to obey a 'gun free' sign, you cannot count on the police to show up (see the story about Dallas Police not responding to an armed robbery). You cannot count on any one but yourself.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
So, you are suggesting that if someone in the theater had a gun they should have turned this into a shootout at the OK corral?
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Originally Posted by rigby06
Maybe you can defend yourself against a armed individual on a rampage, and maybe you cannot; but I would rather have the chance and a weapon on me, and go out fighting instead of hoping for mercy from someone already shooting at other people. And as far as the police getting there in enough time, the best response times at 2 to 3 minutes; and a person with a gun can kill in a few seconds. so what would you suggest 2sleepy?
This is the same debate we had in Denver 3 years ago.
The pro gun crowd is going to cry out, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!" followed general cheering and affirmation by that group.
A few will even step up and say, "If I were there, I would have shot that guy dead before he killed all those people," because he believes that he is truly a hero-in-waiting.
In reality, the gunman would start shooting in a loud and dark theater. The initial reaction is to duck behind a seat. Then 4-5 "good guys with guns" would stand up and and try to identify the shooter so they could shoot him and save the day. Problem is that these guys have never trained for or been in a situation like this in their life. Their vision is impaired even worse by all the smoke in the air. All these guys can see are muzzle flashes, so when they see a muzzle flash, they turn and fire maybe they are firing at the shooter, maybe not. Anyway, chances are they miss and end up hitting a fleeing patron. Man who fired first turns at man who is shooting at them and then things go all OK Corral with people shooting blindly throughout the theater. Meanwhile, police show up and join the fray and things get really out of control.
Maybe the lights go on and vision gets easier. Who dies then? This guy, because we all know the good guys with guns are not minorities.
Bottom line is this, if a person starts shooting in a theater, innocent people will die. If the concealed carry group has their guns and starts firing, even more innocent people will die. But the CC crowd will be happy because they got their man.
CC works for individuals. In a crowd, it would just be chaos and more death. And I have my doubts, if a CC guy, involved in a mass shootout, knowing that he shot at the wrong person would have the moral fortitude to stand up and say so, especially if he accidentally wounded or killed an innocent person. He would quietly tuck his gun back into his jacket try to blend in with the crowd and leave before facing charges for his irresponsibility.
Thug!!!! OMG, why does this keep happening in the white community? White people need to take a stand against violence, White celebs need to be speaking out about this, etc etc
Thug!!!! OMG, why does this keep happening in the white community? White people need to take a stand against violence, White celebs need to be speaking out about this, etc etc
^ THIS
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If your theory held any water we should had multiple news stories every year of these fearless suicidal maniacs doing something like this:
