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So when is he planning to start sending armed federal agents door to door in the urban ghettos confiscating illegal weapons ?
Oh, wait... "gun control" applies only to those who obey the laws.
I wish there was an administration that could have an honest discussion on violence in the U.S. - reasons, methods, trends. Including a country wide statistic on the number of justifiable self defense shootings. In Detroit alone this stands in the hundreds. Each one represents a crime prevented and someone legally armed not falling victim to a criminal. We could then compare the number of the victims of mass shooting to the number of self defense cases, and to the number of the victims of the crimes committed with illegally obtained guns.
It's like the assault weapons campaign - less than 1% of all shootings are committed with a rifle of any kind, and the semi-automatic assault rifles are less than half of that. Less than half percent. Let me repeat, for every murder committed with an assault rifle there's over 200 committed with other weapons. Yet if you listen to the politicians, the assault riffles present the biggest scariest threat to public safety.
We have a societal problem and they are trying to paint it as a tool access related problem.
^^^If you believe the nonsensical BS they spew from their weakminded pieholes, every gun owner in America has one. Sorry, not true. Make up some more so we can call you down again and again.
By their logic, rapists have 3 penises.
Well, not to be rude, but what orifice did the data in your article was pulled out of ? Your source is not just incorrect, it's deliberately misleading. And I will easily prove this.
Have they no shame ?
This is not some innocent error, this is a deliberate, shameless disinformation campaign.
Be careful with sources... yes indeed.
By the way, Wiki is pretty accurate in this respect.
So, do you have any explanation ?
OH please, drop the drama, it's really not necessary.
The data I provided is accurate and it includes suicides and accidental gun deaths which is quite relevant, it just leaves you without the cherry picked data set that you were using to attempt to support a fallacious argument.
I'm getting bored and tired, but before I go to bed, here's one for you to mull over. Nevada 'homicide by gun rate' 5.9 total gun deaths 31.5. Gun ownership 33.8, and Brady Gives them an F. So why the high crime in a state with very lax gun laws? I'm only asking because I want to see how long it will take you to tell me that their crime rate is high because there aren't enough guns
S/he is attempting to redirect the conversation towards suicide.
no, she is trying to point out that suicides and accidental gun deaths are relevant to the discussion, you just don't like it cause it wrecks your figures.
S/he is attempting to redirect the conversation towards suicide.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
no, she is trying to point out that suicides and accidental gun deaths are relevant to the discussion, you just don't like it cause it wrecks your figures.
Well, then we're golden. Looks like Europe has way higher suicide rates, so perhaps he/she means they should be emulating us ?
Country Suicide rates per 100,000 people
South Korea 24.7
Hungary 21.0
Japan 19.4
Belgium 18.4
Finland 16.5
France 14.6
Austria 13.8
Poland 13.8
Czech Republic 12.7
New Zealand 11.9
Denmark 11.3
Sweden 11.1
Norway 10.9
Slovak Republic 10.9
Iceland 10.4
Germany 10.3
Canada 10.2 United States10.1
Luxembourg 9.5
Portugal 8.7
Netherlands 7.9
Spain 6.3
Britain 6
Italy 5.5
Mexico 4.4
Greece 2.9
Ain't it a b8tch ?
What do they say about having your cake and eating it too ?
And the original topic of discussion was not suicide or accidental deaths. It was murder.
But if you want to talk suicide, please. The table above shows we're in a far better spot here than most of the developed countries.
"rather than sit on the sofa stroking their Glock."
Are you intentionally insulating law abiding persons because they do not agree with your political views with regard to firearm ownership? Your lack of respect for those who wish to be left alone and are doing no one else harm really minimizes any impact your argument has.
Country Suicide rates per 100,000 people
South Korea 24.7
Hungary 21.0
Japan 19.4
Belgium 18.4
Finland 16.5
France 14.6
Austria 13.8
Poland 13.8
Czech Republic 12.7
New Zealand 11.9
Denmark 11.3
Sweden 11.1
Norway 10.9
Slovak Republic 10.9
Iceland 10.4
Germany 10.3
Canada 10.2 United States10.1
Luxembourg 9.5
Portugal 8.7
Netherlands 7.9
Spain 6.3
Britain 6
Italy 5.5
Mexico 4.4
Greece 2.9
What do they say about having your cake and eating it too ?
too clever by half, now, how about gathering data on suicides by gun in all of those countries..oh wait you can't - it would probably be all zeroes except for the US..darn I hate it when that happens
I posted this in the theater shooting thread, but it belongs here...
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I am pro gun control, not because I think it will stop these kinds of shootings, it most likely won't. I am pro gun control because I think it will help stop the thousands of other gun deaths that occur. Deaths at the hands of criminals who attain their guns through blackmarket channels, almost all of which universally started out as legally purchased firearms. I think there are some very clear steps we can take...
1. All firearms owners/purchasers need to be licensed. This involves taking a test, demonstrating knowledge of basic safety and control, background checks and mental health screenings. It needs to be renewed every so often and that renewal can be streamlined. Think like a drivers license. There would be different levels of license for different types of firearms. This license would be valid in all 50 states.
2. Every individual firearm is registered to its owner in a national database. If you want to sell or purchase a gun private party, the registration needs to be transferred to the new owner. This transfer can be done at a police station or through a firearms dealer. Gun owners are responsible for their firearms at all times and can be charged with accessory if one of their guns is used in a crime if it can be proven that they committed some form of negligence.
3. There would be limits on the types of firearms allowed for private ownership as well as limits on things like magazine size. However, these regulations would be universal to all 50 states and all 50 states would allow concealed carry, assuming the persons license contained the CCW provision and they had been properly trained.
There you go, common sense gun control.
They took your straight jacket off so you could type this nonsensical ranting, correct?
Your thoughts are dangerous to those living in a free society. How about we put the same restrictions on your mind?
too clever by half, now, how about gathering data on suicides by gun in all of those countries..oh wait you can't - it would probably be all zeroes except for the US..darn I hate it when that happens
So suicide by gun is more deadly than other forms of suicide ? And you are saying it doesn't matter what country has higher suicide rates, all that matters is whether or not guns were used ? You need a whole lot more of those head-slapping icons.
You're making less and less sense and start to appear desperate in your weak attempts to build a straw man.
It's hard to fight hard statistics with weak arguments , isn't it ?
...and there's the problem. So, you wouldn't agree with people being licensed and having guns registered to owners in exchange for the ability to carry said guns in all 50 states without question?
No, we live in a free country. Licensing and registering is but infringement.
We have the right to keep and bear arms as is. Any infringement is unconstitutional. Maybe you don't adhere to the document. How about we take away your freedom of speech?
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