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You fault people for not wanting to work to pay to raise someone else's children. This, in the day, when it's hard enough to raise their own. This when their the ones who sired these kids won't work.
You seem to have no problem at all with the people who irresponsibly bring kids into this world without a care how to support them. No problem with derelict "baby daddies" who are no where to be found when the time comes to pay the bills. No problem at all for those how feel entitled to government welfare because they have accomplished nothing more that what two stray dogs can accomplish.
So your pleading about "compassion" rings hollow. As I said earlier, if the concern is really the kids, then put them in foster care because they first need to be removed from such irresponsible adults.
No, I understand your 2 points. I do have a problem with people who have children they can't afford. I do think the fathers should have to pay child support. I respect people who think it's crud "their tax dollars" are providing welfare. Just as I think "my tax dollars" are wasted on things I don't support.
What you are failing to understand is the point being made by me and other posters.
Your solution to getting rid of welfare is to put the kids in foster care is NOT a solution. It doesn't save money.
If they end welfare and put every kid who's parents can't raise them without welfare into the foster care system the cost for that system will grow exponentially.
Your "solution" just shifts the problem to a different government agency.
You, personally, come off as caring more about money than children. You lack any compassion or understanding about the INNOCENT kids. It's all about $$$ to you.
I was booted out of the military for a service related disability. Went back to Florida(home of record) with my family in tow and immediately searched for a new job. I received no phone calls, not even from the McDonalds that was hiring down the street. Luckily my wife's parents have a house in Florida so we were lucky enough to stay there rent free. A month went by and still heard nothing. Our money was slowly being drained from out bank account. We eventually decided to apply for food stamps and Medicaid, this decision was not made lightly. We have a daughter who was not even a year old yet at the time and we needed to make sure we could take her to a doctor when she got sick and also to feed her(wife could not develop breast milk). We did not abuse the system. We bought the food we absolutely needed; made medical appointments for our daughter. Our goal was to find a job as soon as possible and get off of government assistance. I eventually did get a job six months later and luckily it was for what I was trained for in the military.
In the end government assistance saved us. Our daughter had two seizures during this time and I don't know what would've happened if we didn't have Medicaid. I didn't want to stay on government assistance and I wasn't planning on staying on it. The entire time it felt like I was a burden, I was ashamed. I only did it for my daughter.
Before people say I should've planned ahead before getting out, I couldn't. I still had time on my enlistment. I was kicked out for medical before the Air Force would help me rehabilitate. I found out I was getting forced out two weeks before it happened, I was lost.
I don't agree with living off of government assistance for an entire lifetime but I was really glad it was there. It was only going to be temporary until I got a job.
I support paying taxes for government assistance. There are other families that fall on hard times like mine did, that's what government assistance is there for.
This whole subject and topic has gone so far off, that it's not funny.
If you read the article, the woman does work full time and has worked more than one job at times and has had to use SNAP on and off. She is part of the working poor, which so many of you seem to close your eyes to and bash someone that IS WORKING and takes advantage of the SNAP program only as needed. Because she chooses to do her best to raise her family. and if you'll note she is raising her children well, you still choose to bash her because she takes ONE STINKING GOVERNMENT benefit when she needs it. She's not a piece of welfare garbage and that's not what this topic was intended for.
Because someone is not as fortunate as you since you've never fallen on hard times, you pretty much call her a piece of garbage. Go back and read the original article and then read the article I'm inserting about the "Working Poor".
I don't know how old all of you know-it-alls are, but the middle class has been diminishing for years. I've been a part of the Working Poor, but was too proud to ask anyone for help and I know there's thousands out there like me.
Read both articles and talk about the subject at hand.
I'll be more than happy to come and bash the welfare scum that abuse the system and have been for years, but that's an entirely different topic.
Don't think because you have that piece of paper that you'll never be in a situation like hers because there's people that won't hire you if you're starving because you're over qualified.
Not everyone was given the opportunities that those of you so quick to make judgements on this woman, hasn't been given.
I'm honestly shocked by the complete lack of compassion for children born to poor parents who can't or won't provide them with what they need.
I'm honestly shocked that you don't seem to be able to read and comprehend what is actually being stated.
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Be mad, disgusted, angry, judgmental and anything else you want about the adults getting assistance.
Yes. How about you join us in this regard?
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But is it really to much to ask for compassion for their INNOCENT children. Punishing the children for their parents choices is messed up and hurts society far more than any money we might save.
Who has stated that the innocent children should be punished?
In fact, its enablers like you who doom so many innocent children to incredibly crappy lives of poverty and little hope. You encourage the irresponsible adults to continue being irresponsible in ways that seriously and adversely impact their children's lives.
Is it really too difficult to tell people, as a matter of common sense and perhaps even as policy, that while we cannot guarantee that you will succeed if you wait until you are married and have a real job before having kids, we can with a very high likelihood of accuracy tell you that if you don't finish school and have a kid before you are married and sorted with a good job, both you and the kid/s are going to have a very difficult time of it.
Why shouldn't we shame people who make this idiotic mistake? Its a mistake that affects all of us, and especially the innocent children. We certainly already know that having a kid/s before being wed and sorted with a good job is a recipe for disaster and poverty, and a whole host of other problems that becomes a continuing cycle difficult to break.
You think you're helping because you are "kind" and "compassionate"? Get real. You are not part of the solution. You're part of the problem!
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People who are anti-choice always talk about how a fetus is a life and it should be protected and cared for. Yet when that child is born, it's all welp good luck raising the kid, don't ask for any help.
People?
You're just throwing crap out and thinking it will stick. But, it doesn't. It just fouls up your immediate environment (metaphorically speaking).
I propose that everyone gets one free abortion... but, it has to be performed as early as possible, as soon as the woman knows she is preggers.
There is no reason for young, unwed women who are not gainfully employed to have a kid, let alone multiple kids.
Effective BC exists, and it is cheap and accessible. But, if the unlikely event that BC fails, you get one free abortion. After that, you are on your own.
I have not stated anywhere that we should not be compassionate. But, being compassionate does not necessitate that we be stupid. I have advocated that assistance be administrated by communities rather than by the big faceless Federal Government. I believe that putting local communities in charge of assistance would result in more responsibility among members of communities. It would result in tighter communities and more sociable communities. Its easy (relatively) to ask for assistance from some faceless bureaucrat. You don't need to be a good neighbor or show any evidence that you are in need legitimately. But, if you have to ask for assistance from the community... from people who know you... you are likely to be more responsible, not only to yourself but also to your community. More responsibility would result in less innocent children stuck in lives of poverty and hopelessness.
What you are doing by arguing for the status quo is arguing for the same limitations these people have been stuck under for decades. And we know that when you argue for limitations, you get to keep them.
I'm looking for a way to get these limitations off the people. I want to give them a real chance to succeed.
Getting birth control involves a lot more than walking up to the pharmacy counter. Please refrain from commenting on that which you know nothing about.
Hahaha! Condoms are purchased OTC. Easy Peasy. BC pills can be obtained at any county health clinic.
These two types of BC, while not 100%, are quite effective. If these were being used properly, there would be far fewer unwanted pregnancy.
Are you going to seriously argue that most unwanted pregnancies could not be prevented by using one or both of condoms or pills?
GOOH!
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It's much more cost effective to support and educate a child than it is to support an adult, whether in prison or in the community. And that's why the schools now partner with so many non-profit providers and various governments to provide food, tutoring, substance abuse prevention education, crime prevention education, sex education ... (more things people gripe about).
The DOE should be abolished. Its a complete waste of time and energy and funding.
How many billions do we need to waste on education before you folks figure out that if a kid comes from a stupid irresponsible home, he/she is very much likely to end up making stupid, irresponsible decisions, just as his/her stupid irresponsible mom and dad... in a continuing cycle.
The statistics support my assertion above, so, don't waste your time trying to refute me.
Stay is school. Don't have a kid while you are young and before you get married and have a good job.
That's the answer. Maybe it isn't as "compassionate" as you would like. But, its simple and its true. And it costs nobody anything.
I have a question. Where are the baby daddies to help out with the kids?
That's a good question. Why do we allow these morons to escape responsibility? We know that means-tested welfare programs financially enable single parenthood and punish low-income parents who do marry.
Personally, I think the cost of in vitro should be borne by the individual couple, not subsidized by insurance. That's an expensive personal choice. Why not adopt instead?
Adoption is time consuming and expensive? Well.... if in vitro were the same, they might choose adoption anyway.
But no one is up in arms about that insurance paying for that (or Viagra) even though BC is by far the least expensive of all 3 of these things. To me this outrage about $6 a month BC it seems like just another way to control and judge women.
Clearly that was a bad situation, but, should the entire program be abandoned because of a grumpy guy? I have worked as a cashier for many times and I have had issues with people outraged with credit/debit cards not going through, but, I have yet to see people call to end those. Things happen sometimes you know get over it.
A grumpy guy? That's what you took away from the post? How about an able-bodied man driving a luxury SUV getting and abusing food stamps? How about tens of dozens of ungrateful non-contributors abandoning their full carts to let someone else clean up after them so they could rant and rave about the shoddy treatment they're rec'ing because of a few hours delay in their hand outs?
Get over it? Please. I've more than earned my right to complain about the garbage that my tax dollars are being wasted on. It's easy for people who have almost no stake in the game to be self-righteous.
Big difference between credit cards and food stamps. Contributors V's Non-contributors.
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