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Old 07-29-2015, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
What the Pubs really hate about this pact is that Obama played a part in it. If it was put together by a Pub prez, they'd be praising it to high heaven.

Any connection to Obama immediately shuts down their brains and gets them up and barking like Pavlov dogs.

Indeed.

Foe example, let's imagine that someone else was elected President in 2008 and then reelected in 2012. Someone who back in that election year of 2008 wrote an article on how to deal with Iran as such:
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Another way to contain Iran is through diplomacy. We must be as aggressive diplomatically as we have been militarily since 9/11. We must intensify our diplomatic efforts with China, India, Russia, South Korea, and European states and persuade them to put more economic pressure on Iran. These countries have been far more interested in pursuing profit than preventing proliferation. They must realize that if the United States does end up taking military action, they will bear some responsibility for having failed to maximize peaceful options.
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Sun-tzu's ancient wisdom is relevant today: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Yet we have not had diplomatic relations with Iran in almost 30 years; the U.S. government usually communicates with the Iranian government through the Swiss embassy in Tehran. When one stops talking to a parent or a friend, differences cannot be resolved and relationships cannot move forward. The same is true for countries. The reestablishment of diplomatic ties will not occur automatically or without the Iranians' making concessions that serve to create a less hostile relationship.
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Whereas there can be no rational dealings with al Qaeda, Iran is a nation-state seeking regional clout and playing the game of power politics we understand and can skillfully pursue. We cannot live with al Qaeda, but we might be able to live with a contained Iran. Iran will not acquire nuclear weapons on my watch. But before I look parents in the eye to explain why I put their son's or daughter's life at risk, I want to do everything possible to avoid conflict. We have substantive issues to discuss with Tehran. Recent direct negotiations about Iraq have not been productive because they have not explored the full range of issues. We have valuable incentives to offer Iran: trade and economic assistance, full diplomatic relations, and security guarantees.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...ies-war-terror

Who was this guy who wanted to "take the Israelis and march them to the door of the oven"?

None other than Mike Huckabee.

Or maybe the GOP could take a page from Ronald Reagan's playbook and sell Iran a bunch of weapons (and include a Bible autographed by Reagan himself in the arms shipment) - the only problem with that scheme is that there's no longer any Central American rebel groups to which to illegally funnel the proceeds from the arms sale...
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