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Old 07-31-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
Some people care more about animals, nature and endangered species than others.
This is so true! It's so much simpler and easier to care about animals than about humans. Because to care about humans, one has to overcome messy things like racism, classism, gender bias, etc. One has to actually roll up one's sleeves, wade into the murky Human Condition, and mingle with people one may not want to mingle with. And there can be political complexities to overcome, authorities' personal interests at stake, corruption, public indifference, lots of pitfalls.

Animals are so much simpler.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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Yes, and to add:

1) if the hypothetical perpetrator testifies that he found the victim's address in a particular thread, it should be very easy to link that to particular posters. That perpetrator has no reason to protect people he doesn't know, and every reason to cooperate with authorities to make a better deal.

2) a civil suit can be directed against anyone calling for the physical harm and especially providing the home addresses. I believe there's a far broader criteria for this than for a criminal prosecution.
To my knowledge there has never been a case involving social media or individuals using social media to be prosecuted this way. The only thing that comes to mind is some of the bullying suicide cases may have come close. Certainly if Palmer shows up murdered these questions will come up as well as the responsibility of social media operators and website owners to police these sorts of things.

This "trial in the court of public opinion" thing has become very common and it's only a matter of time before it generates a legal fight on prosecution.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Wow, I'll bet Mr Lehrer had no idea he could have been charged with a crime for writing this .... I always thought it was hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfW2tYIn8-Q
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Yes, and to add:

1) if the hypothetical perpetrator testifies that he found the victim's address in a particular thread, it should be very easy to link that to particular posters. That perpetrator has no reason to protect people he doesn't know, and every reason to cooperate with authorities to make a better deal.

2) a civil suit can be directed against anyone calling for the physical harm and especially providing the home addresses. I believe there's a far broader criteria for this than for a criminal prosecution.
Still makes no sense. The info is available to everyone who looks. Not on any particular thread either.

There is much less privacy than you assume these days.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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big effing deal. a billion children are starving and you're worried about a lion? You're a sick excuse for a human.
Blame those who block birth control and abortion in starving countries. Now they are sick excuses for a human.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I'm no fan of trophy hunting, but I am disturbed by the petition at whitehouse.gov, which Pres. Obama said he's considering, demanding that an American citizen be extradited to Zimbabwe to face justice. Tell me, how many U.S. citizens do we extradite to third world dictatorships? I mean, I know this president doesn't seem to be able or willing to get our citizens out of prison in Iran for supposedly preaching Christianity or our marine who was imprisoned in Mexico, but I didn't think we would actually send a citizen to a banana republic to face justice.

Why is it okay to do that but Amanda Knox can't be extradited to face Italian justice for possibly taking part in the murder of a human being?
Amanda Knox was in prison for 4 years. Italy's highest court finally exonerated Knox less than a year ago.

That has nothing to do with the illegal killing of a lion.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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I guess I don't understand the level of outrage either. Babies are dying, parts of the world are at the brink of war with each other, racial tensions are high here in the USA, some police are out of control.

Yeah it sucks the guy killed the lion, but there really are much more worthwhile reasons to get outraged.

If you read the article, I believe it was written by a journalist there in Zimbabwe, not an american journalist.
I think most of us have the ability to be concerned about more than one issue at a time.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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Yes, and I'll bet the first time they refuse to return someone we want we'll be crying our eyes out.
I doubt many people flee to Zimbabwe.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:22 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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I saw the dentist's address (not sure if it was home or business) posted in the comments section on the New York Daily News within hours of this story being published.

I do think it is perfectly acceptable to post one's feelings and opinions about this situation, but it crosses a line (for me) when there are comments about violence being done to the dentist and posting his personal info.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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It is very easy to find almost everyone's addresses thru google. Don't you know that? Or is it just more false outrage?
It's not "false outrage" to be disgusted by this current practice of tweeting out people's home and business addresses in forums where there are death threats. Even if they could find the information elsewhere, people have no idea that they would do such a thing without someone else posting it. One of these days someone is going to be killed from this mob mentality.
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