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Old 08-30-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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But do those many purposely go to a place that they know wont marry them?
It's called a "test case" ...
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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There is a difference between a ruling and a law. The ruling is that same sex couples are entitled to the same benefits and rights as opposite sex couples. Nowhere does the constitution grant you a right to be married. Marriage laws are up to the states.
Well, not exactly …

The SCOTUS issues rulings on the Constitution, which is the supreme law of The United States, even in counties in Kentucky …

The SCOTUS ruling invalidated all laws and rules and regulations everywhere in The USA that discriminate against GLBT couples in matters of marriage …

There is no need for a legislature to change marriage laws in Kentucky to allow GLBT marriages … The SCOTUS already did so by their ruling …

There is now NO basis in law in any of the fifty states to forbid GLBT couples from becoming married … (Recall, e.g.: following the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, there was no need to wait for the Kansas legislature to change their public school laws … The laws WERE changed overnight by the SCOTUS ruling …)
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:05 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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The county clerk (1) does not officiate marriages, but is required by law to (2) issue marriage licenses to couples who are legally allowed to marry ...
How is that in conflict with what I said?
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Well, not exactly …

The SCOTUS issues rulings on the Constitution, which is the supreme law of The United States, even in counties in Kentucky …

The SCOTUS ruling invalidated all laws and rules and regulations everywhere in The USA that discriminate against GLBT couples in matters of marriage …

There is no need for a legislature to change marriage laws in Kentucky to allow GLBT marriages … The SCOTUS already did so by their ruling …

There is now NO basis in law in any of the fifty states to forbid GLBT couples from becoming married … (Recall, e.g.: following the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, there was no need to wait for the Kansas legislature to change their public school laws … The laws WERE changed overnight by the SCOTUS ruling …)
She is not issuing marriage licenses to ANYONE. As long as what is offered to same sex couples is the same as what is offered to opposite sex couples it is not a federal concern. There is no constitutional right to marriage, there is a constitutional right to equality. They are equally not being given marriage licenses in Rowan County.
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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A woefully misguided court ruling is not law. This nonsense was imposed upon the people of Kentucky against their will and they're not going down without a whimper like the PC automatons that have taken control of most other states.

Their courage in standing for what they believe is perhaps one of the very few pieces of America left.
Brown v. Board of Education (1954) was imposed on the people of Topeka, Kansas "against their will" …

Loving v. Virginia (1967) was imposed on the people of Virginia "against their will" …

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) was imposed on the people of Connecticut "against their will" …

Sometimes, that is how the law works …
The USA is an ordered society, a liberal democracy …
Get over it ...
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:11 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Sure, but you can do that on your own dime, not while under the employ of the US government. Why don't you all just round yourselves up and go create a reservation somewhere on an uninhabited and unclaimed island somewhere and make your own country...
I hate to have to be the one to break this shocking news to you, but....

this IS our country and Kentucky IS their state - has been since 1792. Makes more sense to me for those hell bent on turning reality on its head to find a deserted island somewhere.
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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She's exercising her full legal rights as afforded to her by our kick ass Constitution. So whatevs, let her ride it as far as she wants. In the end, she's gonna lose, and set precedent that will more efficiently and expeditiously slap down anyone else with such foolish notions.

Is it actually on record that all but one of the couples who have been turned away live outside that county? Links to proof of this, anyone? Frankly, I don't see why it should matter. Couples who marry in Vegas generally get their license in Clark County, regardless of their hometown. Folks who marry on Hawaii get their license in Hawaii or Maui County, regardless of where their hometown is. This is the case across the U.S. Why is this any different? People who meet the legal criteria should be able to obtain a license to marry any damned place they want regardless of where they're from. There's a lot more to consider than just the lazy way of thinking (ie "they're just being troublemakers").
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Brown v. Board of Education (1954) was imposed on the people of Topeka, Kansas "against their will" …

Loving v. Virginia (1967) was imposed on the people of Virginia "against their will" …

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) was imposed on the people of Connecticut "against their will" …

Sometimes, that is how the law works …
The USA is an ordered society, a liberal democracy
Get over it ...

The US is not a democracy.
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I hate to have to be the one to break this shocking news to you, but....

this IS our country and Kentucky IS their state - has been since 1792. Makes more sense to me for those hell bent on turning reality on its head to find a deserted island somewhere.
The SCOTUS ruling is final, unless SCOTUS itself reverses its own ruling. Sorry, your side lost.
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Old 08-30-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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She is not issuing marriage licenses to ANYONE. As long as what is offered to same sex couples is the same as what is offered to opposite sex couples it is not a federal concern. There is no constitutional right to marriage, there is a constitutional right to equality. They are equally not being given marriage licenses in Rowan County.
Oh, please …

The equivalent move back in the 60s would have been, say, to disconnect ALL public drinking water fountains in town rather than allow "colored" and "whites" to drink from the same fountains …

The (non) clerk is obviously intentionally discriminating against GLBT persons (citizens of the United States, as per the 14th Amendment !!!) who seek nothing unusual, but only equal protection under the law ...
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