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The lawyer isn't defying anything. The lawyer cannot force his/her client to follow a judge's order. And the lawyer is not precluded from making arguments in favor of a certain legal interpretation (at least generally speaking).
There is speculation that her lawyers have encouraged her to defy the court order.
I won't argue that some of that does happen. But, for every example of a devout Christian doing something like Davis is doing, there are other examples of devout Christians doing the opposite (see the other county clerks in Kentucky who are issuing marriage licenses . . . I'm sure there are more than a few self-described devout Christians in that group). Moreover, I see countless Christian organizations feeding and housing the homeless, without question of whether those people agree with them or not.
Around here, though, the Christian ones require that anyone partaking of their "kindnesses" sit through a Christian sermon or else they don't receive the "kindnesses."
you don't agree with at least two aspects of Christianity, which means that you don't agree with all aspects of Christianity. Why is that difficult to understand?
It is rather difficult to understand because not all Christians believe that homosexuality or abortion are the great tragedies of western civilization. In fact several major denominations actually embrace homosexuality including the ordination of gay clergy. As for abortion, major denominations are all over the board with most condoning abortion in cases that involve the health and safety of the mother and others like the Presbyterian Church that believes it is a matter of personal choice.
That's rather thin (if that) speculation. But, given that it comes from Slate, which has a history of leftist rambling and passing it off as sound journalistic practice, I'm not surprised. Note, if the attorney was encouraging (whether or not the attorney's actions provide encouragement to the clerk is immaterial) the clerk to disregard the court order, that's a whole different story. But I've seen flimsy "evidence" to support such a claim so far.
Oh, I see. Can't understand simple logic and reasoning either, I see? What a silly statement that shows more about your own inability to properly reason than anything else. If someone states that they disagree with the Christian position on abortion and LGBT issues, then they, by extension, do not agree with all aspects of Christianity. Damn. This is sad. I didn't think that this would be difficult for people to grasp.
There is no "the Christian position". If there were, we would not have dozens (hundreds?) of Christian denominations.
It is rather difficult to understand because not all Christians believe that homosexuality or abortion are the great tragedies of western civilization. In fact several major denominations actually embrace homosexuality including the ordination of gay clergy. As for abortion, major denominations are all over the board with most condoning abortion in cases that involve the health and safety of the mother and others like the Presbyterian Church that believes it is a matter of personal choice.
Sure, but my post on Christian beliefs was more a response to what the other poster described Christianity to be rather than an all-encompassing reality of what Christianity is and isn't. I took issue with the other poster's reasoning and was showing how it was flawed.
I won't argue that some of that does happen. But, for every example of a devout Christian doing something like Davis is doing, there are other examples of devout Christians doing the opposite (see the other county clerks in Kentucky who are issuing marriage licenses . . . I'm sure there are more than a few self-described devout Christians in that group). Moreover, I see countless Christian organizations feeding and housing the homeless, without question of whether those people agree with them or not.
I'll take your word for "countless Christian organizations feeding and housing the homeless". I just don't see that where I live. There is a soup kitchen located in a church basement but it is run by a secular group of people. Maybe I need to get out more.
Even assuming good works by churches the fact they are hate groups still stands.
I'm not surprised. Christianity seems to be only about discrimination against LGBT and about abortion. What else does Christianity make headlines about lately?
That's just not sustainable because it is not attractive.
It will energize a small fraction of super pious zealots (who are in a echo chamber and don't realize that the world moves on) but it will repel many because who wants to be associated with such awful negativity.
Pretty much. I still identify as a "Christian" but mostly on a personal, private level between me and God. As an LGBT person, most of the Christian community disgusts me and it just brings negative thoughts into my mind and these types of things only enforce that, combined with what I consider most churches to be...simply ways for a small group of people to control and make money. It's at the point where I kind of think negatively or pause a bit if a potential date mentions they're Christian. It's sad :/
But I encourage you to make the same point to the post that I replied to, which stated that Christianity seems to be "all about" LGBT discrimination and abortion.
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Doesn't address my statement in the least.
