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Old 09-06-2015, 03:20 AM
 
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Must be nice to be able to claim to have a religious objection to performing one's job, so no need to do it, and the employer (taxpayers) still pays.

It's good to be a goverment employee. I wonder how well this scam will work in the private sector.

"My religious convictions prevent me from showing up before 11 am"
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Old 09-06-2015, 03:56 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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The powers that rule us want our obedience and our wealth.
But they need our consent most of all.
They do not like it when we refuse assent to their laws that are not for the greater good.

That's why the mass media strives to make it appear that a "majority" approve of whatever is being done.
Because if they get a whiff that something is upsetting the sheeple, they get antsy.
Human nature at work - only when one's "ox is gored," do we rise to the occasion.

Just look at ONE CLERK'S REFUSAL to obey - - - she is galvanizing opposition - nationwide - to the scam going on.
Great! Let's defy the rule of law! The clerk at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles can deny you a driver's license because they don't like your ethnicity. A clerk who licenses restaurants denies a Thai restaurant a license because Thailand is not a "Christian" country. You're denied a permit to build your house on as property you own because the clerk lives in that neighborhood and thinks the neighborhood is too crowded already.

"Let's ignore Supreme Court rulings. Let's nullify the Constitution. The rule of law is nonsense." Is that what you're saying?
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Old 09-06-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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The powers that rule us want our obedience and our wealth.
But they need our consent most of all.
They do not like it when we refuse assent to their laws that are not for the greater good.

That's why the mass media strives to make it appear that a "majority" approve of whatever is being done.
Because if they get a whiff that something is upsetting the sheeple, they get antsy.
Human nature at work - only when one's "ox is gored," do we rise to the occasion.

Just look at ONE CLERK'S REFUSAL to obey - - - she is galvanizing opposition - nationwide - to the scam going on.
Couple things. First, she's not in jail for her religious beliefs. She's in jail for, as a government employee being paid by tax monies collected from people of many religions and beliefs, not only refusing to do the job that she swore on a Bible to do when she took the job but also preventing anyone else in the office from doing their jobs, in other words, forcing HER religious beliefs on THEM. If she were Muslim and doing something similar, I'm pretty sure your tune would be very different.

Second, if she's using the Bible to justify her actions, I KNOW she hasn't read it in its entirety, first word to last (the way my Daddy the minister first taught me to read it because he'd seen way too many people pull out verses here and there to prove that it said what THEY wanted it to say, carefully ignoring the verses before and after that would change the meaning to something they DIDN'T want it to say. If she had, she'd be well aware of Romans 13. She is rebelling against the authorities, is she not?

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is Godís servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are Godís servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are Godís servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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Old 09-06-2015, 06:10 PM
 
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I mean really, c'mon Mayberry.............

Some North Carolina officials refuse to perform marriages
Actually, I am a big SS marriage supporter. But I have no problem with the NC provision. If they get out of the marriage business altogether, then they are not discriminating. That's fine with me. If you can't treat everyone equally in what you do, then don't do it and let someone else who can do the job. No harm done.
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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The clerk is REQUIRED to issue marriage licenses, the judge is not REQUIRED to officiate weddings. The judge has the option of officiating, the clerk does not have the option of not issuing marriage licenses.

I'm not seeing the comparison here.
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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Excellent news. I hope this catches on throughout the country.I'm sick of the cowtowing to the minority interest.
That's the difference in a Republic (which the US is) and a democracy (majority rules).

You don't want the majority to rule. Ever. You want the rule of law to rule. Republics protect the minorities. It's an excellent system of government.
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Old 09-06-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The human race. It does have to be protected from itself.
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Old 09-07-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Edinburgh,Scotland
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That's the difference in a Republic (which the US is) and a democracy (majority rules).

You don't want the majority to rule. Ever. You want the rule of law to rule. Republics protect the minorities. It's an excellent system
So you want the minority to rule?.This is what seems to be happening these days in the states.Minority interests taking presidence over the vast majority.It's as though you think the majority of people are morons and will always make poor decisions.Although to be fair some of the political people the states elect makes me think you may have a point sometimes.

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Old 09-07-2015, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Exactly, NC has made arrangements so that the rights of all are respected. Hopefully the NC law only applies only to existing clerks (the current compromise should be a stopgap measure not a permanent solution). The permanent solution is to only hire those willing to administer the business of the state whether they take personal offense to it or not. Once the exempted clerks retire, all clerks will be required to perform the same duties.
Yes Ö

As a Catholic Christian, I obviously have deep sympathy for anyone whose formed conscience conflicts with her/his legal duty Ö so accommodations must be made, and apparently North Carolina is getting it *right* all around ...
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Old 09-07-2015, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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That's the difference in a Republic (which the US is) and a democracy (majority rules).

You don't want the majority to rule. Ever. You want the rule of law to rule. Republics protect the minorities. It's an excellent system of government.
Yes Ö If authentic "democracy" meant "majority rule; screw the minority," there would still be "whites only" schools, drinking fountains, lunch counters, military units, swimming pools, etc. ...
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