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Old 09-07-2015, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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No, Christians have a much lower divorce rate. I forget what the statistics are but I remember there is a wide gap.
Not really.

https://www.barna.org/barna-update/a...d#.Ve3FjygViko

Evangelical 26%
Non evangelical christians 33%
Atheist/agnostic 30%
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Old 09-07-2015, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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That is not related to what North Carolina did. There are alternatives in place, something Kentucky needs to do.

Compromise, in other words.
The NC law doesn't address the official in charge of licensing, but assistants or deputies. It would not have any effect on the county clerk since she is not an assistant or deputy.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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Before the Supreme Court ruling, in every state where SSM had been approved and then put to a popular vote, the voters turned it down.

This is a very divisive issue in this country. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not approve of this. They feel that they are being forced to accept - and participate in - something that they find immoral and revolting. I don't believe that those who are refusing to participate are really doing it for "religious" reasons. They just have to use that reason in order to exempt themselves from association.

The law cannot be used to change people's feelings, their morals, their ethics. I believe that most people nowadays accept gay couples as they wish to be accepted. But marriage is different. Marriage is not about "love". Marriage is about providing a framework for the birth and rearing of children of known parentage. Anti-SSM advocates feel that they are not only being forced to accept something that they find abhorrent, but that the entire institution of marriage is being transformed into something it was never meant to be.

This is likely not the last we will hear of this issue. This is something that is dividing the whole country, and is already leading to civil disobedience.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Before the Supreme Court ruling, in every state where SSM had been approved and then put to a popular vote, the voters turned it down.

This is a very divisive issue in this country. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not approve of this. They feel that they are being forced to accept - and participate in - something that they find immoral and revolting. I don't believe that those who are refusing to participate are really doing it for "religious" reasons. They just have to use that reason in order to exempt themselves from association.

The law cannot be used to change people's feelings, their morals, their ethics. I believe that most people nowadays accept gay couples as they wish to be accepted. But marriage is different. Marriage is not about "love". Marriage is about providing a framework for the birth and rearing of children of known parentage. Anti-SSM advocates feel that they are not only being forced to accept something that they find abhorrent, but that the entire institution of marriage is being transformed into something it was never meant to be.

This is likely not the last we will hear of this issue. This is something that is dividing the whole country, and is already leading to civil disobedience.
Except for the last 3 that voted. Maine, Maryland, Washington.

Sorry if some personally believe that marriage is all about reproduction, but not one states marriage requirements include ability or even desire to reproduce to get legally married.
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Before the Supreme Court ruling, in every state where SSM had been approved and then put to a popular vote, the voters turned it down.

This is a very divisive issue in this country. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not approve of this. They feel that they are being forced to accept - and participate in - something that they find immoral and revolting. I don't believe that those who are refusing to participate are really doing it for "religious" reasons. They just have to use that reason in order to exempt themselves from association.

The law cannot be used to change people's feelings, their morals, their ethics. I believe that most people nowadays accept gay couples as they wish to be accepted. But marriage is different. Marriage is not about "love". Marriage is about providing a framework for the birth and rearing of children of known parentage. Anti-SSM advocates feel that they are not only being forced to accept something that they find abhorrent, but that the entire institution of marriage is being transformed into something it was never meant to be.

This is likely not the last we will hear of this issue. This is something that is dividing the whole country, and is already leading to civil disobedience.
No

Here in Minnesota, in 2012, voters decisively turned aside a proposed constitutional amendment to ban GLBT marriages

The following year, the legislature formally approved GLBT marriage, and well the sky hasn't fallen yet (Nor do we have County Clerks refusing to comply with the laws )
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Central Illinois -
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I'm sorry, I can't sell you a double cheeseburger because I'm on a diet, all I can sell are salads.

Same mentality folks
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Old 09-07-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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Excellent news. I hope this catches on throughout the country.I'm sick of the cowtowing to the minority interest.
So the bulk of the responses to this are going right over your head? That's exactly what is happening.

Those folks are denying themselves the opportunity to issue marriage licenses of any kind while others are taking up the slack to accommodate the minority created ISSUE.

That's "kowtowing" in any man's language.
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Old 09-07-2015, 02:00 PM
 
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I mean really, c'mon Mayberry.............

Some North Carolina officials refuse to perform marriages
if atheists or muslims go to a parish, and ask a priest if they can have their wedding there because they "like the architecture and space", the priest has every right to say no.

as a non-"member", if i walk into a synogogue or mosque and demand that i want my wedding there for whatever reason, the rabbi can refuse.

get over it people..

everyone has the right to their religious beliefs and marriage has it's roots in religion, NOT GOVERNMENT..
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Old 09-07-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I can't sell you a double cheeseburger because I'm on a diet, all I can sell are salads.

Same mentality folks
no, some man telling a woman he's dating that she should have anal sex with him but she refuses because she does not think it's right is the analogy.
sodomy is not punishable by law and mostly legal but that does NOT IMPLY THAT EVERY CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES MUST COMPLY WITH IT OR PARTICIPATE IN IT
you liberals are so simple.

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Old 09-07-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Great! Let's defy the rule of law! The clerk at the Dept. of Motor Vehicles can deny you a driver's license because they don't like your ethnicity. A clerk who licenses restaurants denies a Thai restaurant a license because Thailand is not a "Christian" country. You're denied a permit to build your house on as property you own because the clerk lives in that neighborhood and thinks the neighborhood is too crowded already.

"Let's ignore Supreme Court rulings. Let's nullify the Constitution. The rule of law is nonsense." Is that what you're saying?
bad analogy.

we will have incest marriages and bestial marriages soon.. there is no line, left.
i ask homosexual married couples of their opinion on incestual marriage, vast majority are against it.
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