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Old 10-11-2015, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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Yes, because bombs being illegal stopped Tim McVeigh or Unabomber.

Or murder being illegal stopped a single murder.
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:00 AM
 
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Yes, because bombs being illegal stopped Tim McVeigh or Unabomber.

Or murder being illegal stopped a single murder.
By all means, let's make murders, rapes, assaults, burglaries, shoplifting, etc. all legal, because these laws apparently don't stop anyone. "Only law abiding citizens follow these laws, not criminals." Really?

Mick
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:11 AM
 
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I realize much money has been "thrown at" poverty through the decades, but there has to be an efficient way to affect change and improve opportunity for these folks. Which is better?
You need to change the culture and environment, that has to be done within. I was a juror on a trial recently that involved a machete attack. It happened in a project and to quote the defendant it's "a very dangerous place." The apratment according to the detective was the bloodiest scene he ever saw and the victim was actually walking hundreds of feet from the apartment. According to his own testimony the defendant had exited the apartment at one point.

Not one single person in that complex saw or heard anything.






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Spending said money on well-dressed, well-coiffed lobbyists to defend something that is not endangered (money that generally is used to stoke more fear to keep the donations flowing)?
If the anti gun lobby will give up their lobbyists and you can get legislators to stop attacking it then we can talk.
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Old 10-11-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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By all means, let's make murders, rapes, assaults, burglaries, shoplifting, etc. all legal, because these laws apparently don't stop anyone. "Only law abiding citizens follow these laws, not criminals." Really?

Mick
Laws are like locks, they keep honest people honest. The new gun laws being proposed will only make it more difficult for law abiding citizens.
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Old 10-11-2015, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Detroit
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Laws are like locks, they keep honest people honest. The new gun laws being proposed will only make it more difficult for law abiding citizens.
Why have laws if people don't follow them? Let's make murder legal because laws don't stop dishonest people from killing. Gun nut logic.
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Old 10-11-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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Laws are like locks, they keep honest people honest. The new gun laws being proposed will only make it more difficult for law abiding citizens.
Agreed to a point, honest people don't steal even if something isn't locked up.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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Why have laws if people don't follow them? Let's make murder legal because laws don't stop dishonest people from killing. Gun nut logic.
We do have laws and the only people following them are law abiding citizens, no one is suggesting we make murder legal accept you. Your argument is like saying people are driving through stop signs illegally so we need to ban the car so they don't drive through stop signs.

Where I live about 90% of the population owns a weapon. I can walk out of my house and purchase any weapon I want in about 15 minutes. I can walk down my street with a loaded weapon. I can carry one concealed on my person or in my car. I can go out in my back yard and shoot them. Gun shots are common here especially at this time of the year.

Despite all these weapons and weapon activities the murder rate is 0 over decades. If national murder rates are any measure there should have been at least a few murders in that time frame based on the population here. While the presence of guns may play a minor role in the low crime rate in ultimately it's because the people are mostly law abiding citizens.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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Why have laws if people don't follow them? Let's make murder legal because laws don't stop dishonest people from killing. Gun nut logic.
If you can have any law enacted that you would consider "reasonable" what would it be?

I want specifics, not some generalization.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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The nonsense of the gun control people is that those supporting ownership of guns say that there should be no laws against murder since law abiding people don't murder.

Utter foolishness. The laws against murder do not prevent murders, they provide a penalty for those that choose to murder.

Can any anti gun person point to provisions in the laws against murder that provide a means to prevent murders? There are none except when the murderer is prosecuted and sent to prisin where in fact, some murder again anyway, without using a gun.

The lies told by gun control people are nearly limitless.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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If there was no law against murder, law abiding people still would not murder.

Think about it.

Laws against murder exist to provide penalties for the act, not to prevent murders.
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