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Old 10-20-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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The bicycle rider should be given a medal for his actions.
Why? For all we know the dog was being friendly and the bike rider is the type who's scared of their own shadow. I'm thinking this is the case since he said "it was a German Shepherd looking dog." Being a GSD owner I know first hand how many people have a very irrational fear of the breed. I would run into these morons at the dog park when I took my then 3 month old GSD to the dog park to socialize him.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:41 PM
 
Location: MA
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Out of control dog chasing and threatening a bicycle rider possibly causing grave injury.

Bicycle rider defends himself and shoots dog.

Good. I'm happy the bicycle rider escaped uninjured and the dangerous dog is dead.

Why would you be happy about something like that......mean person you are.
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Old 10-20-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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I didn't read the originally linked article, but in the Daily Mail version, the owner claimed that the dog was an officer in the Army (and was going to try to somehow leverage that fact in a civil suit...not sure now). So, were enlisted men required to salute the dog?
Stupid post.

El Nox
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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Why? For all we know the dog was being friendly and the bike rider is the type who's scared of their own shadow. I'm thinking this is the case since he said "it was a German Shepherd looking dog." Being a GSD owner I know first hand how many people have a very irrational fear of the breed. I would run into these morons at the dog park when I took my then 3 month old GSD to the dog park to socialize him.
The real thing we have to consider is it was a large dog running loose that ran up to a bike rider. The rider did not know if the dog was friendly or attacking. The rider protected himself and shot the dog. Really the end of the story.

Fact: A dog running loose. The owner or someone let it run free and run up at a bike rider. No matter what, it is the owner or the dogs caretakers fault this happened. If they had been responsible people, the dog would not have been running free to frighten the bike rider and would still be alive.

Fact: In most areas of the country, the dog was violating the law running free, and the owner would not only have lost his dog, but would have been given a ticket to pay for letting that dog run free.

The fact that the dog was a war dog, really have nothing to do with the fact the dog was running free and got killed.

The dog was known to have DTSD from the war, and no one has any idea if the dog was suffering from it the time and actually attacked the bike rider due to this medical problem. We are not talking about a toy dog, but a trained war dog. The bike rider may have saved his own life, by killing the dog.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:06 PM
 
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The real thing we have to consider is it was a large dog running loose that ran up to a bike rider. The rider did not know if the dog was friendly or attacking. The rider protected himself and shot the dog. Really the end of the story.

Fact: A dog running loose. The owner or someone let it run free and run up at a bike rider. No matter what, it is the owner or the dogs caretakers fault this happened. If they had been responsible people, the dog would not have been running free to frighten the bike rider and would still be alive.

Fact: In most areas of the country, the dog was violating the law running free, and the owner would not only have lost his dog, but would have been given a ticket to pay for letting that dog run free.

The fact that the dog was a war dog, really have nothing to do with the fact the dog was running free and got killed.

The dog was known to have DTSD from the war, and no one has any idea if the dog was suffering from it the time and actually attacked the bike rider due to this medical problem. We are not talking about a toy dog, but a trained war dog. The bike rider may have saved his own life, by killing the dog.
Fact: the dog was shot from behind.

Fact: the perp told several different stories.

El Nox
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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The real thing we have to consider is it was a large dog running loose that ran up to a bike rider. The rider did not know if the dog was friendly or attacking. The rider protected himself and shot the dog. Really the end of the story.

Fact: A dog running loose. The owner or someone let it run free and run up at a bike rider. No matter what, it is the owner or the dogs caretakers fault this happened. If they had been responsible people, the dog would not have been running free to frighten the bike rider and would still be alive.

Fact: In most areas of the country, the dog was violating the law running free, and the owner would not only have lost his dog, but would have been given a ticket to pay for letting that dog run free.

The fact that the dog was a war dog, really have nothing to do with the fact the dog was running free and got killed.

The dog was known to have DTSD from the war, and no one has any idea if the dog was suffering from it the time and actually attacked the bike rider due to this medical problem. We are not talking about a toy dog, but a trained war dog. The bike rider may have saved his own life, by killing the dog.
I've had large dogs run up to me while I'm walking or biking, but It never crossed my mind to shoot the dog. Neither of us will ever know all the details of what actually happened, but from what I've read I believe there is a good chance the guy overreacted.

Also, I don't think the dog was just left to roam the neighborhood. Dogs sometimes escape their yards. The dog could have been having severe separation anxiety because his owner was gone. I've seen police training videos of Malinois getting over 6'-8' walls with ease.

I don't know exactly what type of training the dog received, but just because it's a "war dog" does not make it dangerous. The dogs training could have been single purpose for explosives detection. That type of training is not going to make the dog anymore dangerous than a civilian Malinois.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:41 PM
 
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[quote=karlsch;41601748]I'm one of those troops who served their country (how about you?) who also happens to be tired of people who use their service as an excuse for everything they do wrong such as letting their dog run wild threatening people.

Anyway, dogs aren't heroes no matter how many badges you pin on them. They are simple creatures who aren't capable of thinking about things, they aren't even self-aware. "I think, therefore I am" does not apply to dogs. Everything they do is determined by their instinct and/or training.quote] Thank you for your service. However, you have obviously not seen the recent documentaries showing how advanced dogs' mental capabilities truly are. Look them up, I guarantee you will be surprised. I also hazard a guess that you are not familiar with many dogs.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I LOVE dogs, I love all animals, but the sad fact is that he was loose and showing aggression. The rider felt threatened and had the means, so he protected himself.

Yes, maybe he did over-react, but maybe he was afraid of dogs, and this one was approaching him in aggression, they guy was only protecting himself.

No one is at fault except the owner who didn't have the dog under control.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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I've had large dogs run up to me while I'm walking or biking, but It never crossed my mind to shoot the dog. Neither of us will ever know all the details of what actually happened, but from what I've read I believe there is a good chance the guy overreacted.

Also, I don't think the dog was just left to roam the neighborhood. Dogs sometimes escape their yards. The dog could have been having severe separation anxiety because his owner was gone. I've seen police training videos of Malinois getting over 6'-8' walls with ease.

I don't know exactly what type of training the dog received, but just because it's a "war dog" does not make it dangerous. The dogs training could have been single purpose for explosives detection. That type of training is not going to make the dog anymore dangerous than a civilian Malinois.
He was a bomb sniffing dog, not an attack dog. Being a bomb sniffing dog doesn't involve aggression training, it requires concentration and patience and staying calm in a chaotic environment. Seems to be that kind of training would make a dog less likely to react dangerously not more so.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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I LOVE dogs, I love all animals, but the sad fact is that he was loose and showing aggression. The rider felt threatened and had the means, so he protected himself.

Yes, maybe he did over-react, but maybe he was afraid of dogs, and this one was approaching him in aggression, they guy was only protecting himself.

No one is at fault except the owner who didn't have the dog under control.
How is it a fact the dog was showing aggression? Provide a link that confirms this, please. Was he showing aggression by wagging his butt in the guy's face, since he was shot from behind?
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