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So because "some" Africans were involved in the slave trade all white involvement is somehow justified In your mind? Thanks for exposing how the common white thinks.
Some of these people seem mentally and/or morally sick.
Also, there was no national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments, provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during World War II.
Because those were made relatively soon after the events happened, not when everyone involved has been dead for 100 years.
Japanese-American internment camp payments were established in 1988, 43 years after the events.
Native Americans have only been compensated for federal mismanagement in recent times. The settlements that have been in the news are about events that happened in the 90s/00s. No one is giving them anything to compensate for abuses before the 20th Century.
Filipinos who fought with the US Army in WWII were always given benefits for it, the acts for that were passed right after the war, recent legislation was just adjustments to it.
Well, I am 71 so I doubt whether I will be alive long enough to see if your prediction comes true, but I do believe you are living in a fantasy world.
Logically however, you are correct to a limited extent; since we live in a democracy in which laws are passed by a majority vote of both houses of Congress then signed into law by the sitting President, such an absurd idea as reparations for slavery at this remove of time will never have broad support and will only come about through force.
With each passing year the probability of reparations being established through legitimate means becomes even smaller. About the probability of armed revolution being ultimately successful it is harder to say, but there would be enormous push back if people felt their basic freedoms to be endangered. Even at my age I would take up arms and go to the barricades rather than sit back and acquiesce in the demise of civilization.
Those groups who have advocated armed revolution in the United States, whether white or black, have heretofore had no real success. Consider for a moment the militia types, white nut cases in my opinion, whose racism is not the sole objectionable feature of their thinking. While they are admittedly scary, they remain small, isolated, impotent groups. What an irony it would be if you and people who think like you should end up making them right.
Well, I am 71 so I doubt whether I will be alive long enough to see if your prediction comes true, but I do believe you are living in a fantasy world.
Logically however, you are correct to a limited extent; since we live in a democracy in which laws are passed by a majority vote of both houses of Congress then signed into law by the sitting President, such an absurd idea as reparations for slavery at this remove of time will never have broad support and will only come about through force.
With each passing year the probability of reparations being established through legitimate means becomes even smaller. About the probability of armed revolution being ultimately successful it is harder to say, but there would be enormous push back if people felt their basic freedoms to be endangered. Even at my age I would take up arms and go to the barricades rather than sit back and acquiesce in the demise of civilization.
Those groups who have advocated armed revolution in the United States, whether white or black, have heretofore had no real success. Consider for a moment the militia types, white nut cases in my opinion, whose racism is not the sole objectionable feature of their thinking. While they are admittedly scary, they remain small, isolated, impotent groups. What an irony it would be if you and people who think like you should end up making them right.
Black American communities are currently a mess, I highly doubt Black Americans have the ability to start some political movement. The Civil Rights movement afterall wasn't even started by African Americans.
Kinda like how many wealthy generations of families leeched off the hard work of slaves right? The time to call for reparations has long since passed but let's keep history in perspective here.
Most current White Americans do not have ancestors who owned slaves.
To the people who are stupid enough to talk about the "go back to Africa" thing... would this include also a return of all of the stolen resources of Africa throughout the centuries as well?
You can, Russia has a lot of resources, go steal them! But then Russia has got the second best military in the world so yeah that's gonna be tough. Europeans "stoled" African resources because they unlike your ancestors were busy developing technology and advanced weapons. You can too!
Because those were made relatively soon after the events happened, not when everyone involved has been dead for 100 years.
The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame for slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one.
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With each passing year the probability of reparations being established through legitimate means becomes even smaller... Even at my age I would take up arms and go to the barricades rather than sit back and acquiesce in the demise of civilization.
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The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most Americans admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and Los Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions supporting a federal commission to study reparations.
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You can, Russia has a lot of resources, go steal them! But then Russia has got the second best military in the world so yeah that's gonna be tough. Europeans "stoled" African resources because they unlike your ancestors were busy developing technology and advanced weapons. You can too!
What does that have to do with anything? If YOU want blacks to go back to Africa (not to mention that YOU could go to Europe/Russia if you want), then YOU should advocate for the return of the stolen resources to make that happen. Stoled? The word is stole. You make it more obvious with each post that you aren't the best and the brightest.
Okay, since you're challenging it, you look it up. You see just how much they were involved in the Atlantic Slave Trade, or any other history of enslaving others before Europeans even got involved. At this point - I don't really care. It was hundreds of years ago. People should be over it by now.
I'm saying that I didn't try to make it seem like whites' involvement was less bad because blacks were also involved. I'm simply pointing out history to another poster who needed a lesson, a reality check, and to stop playing the "woe is me" card.
... At this point - I don't really care. It was hundreds of years ago. People should be over it by now...
Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash starved, failing public schools than whites.
Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash starved, failing public schools than whites.
I'd support financial reparations, but $$$ alone won't resolve every type of discrimination you mention. Still, ...
I'd have no problem with reparations giving black citizens $1 million, or make it $3 million if that's fairer. The specifics would be tough to work out --- would recent black immigrants qualify, who'd be responsible for handling the $$$ for minors, etc..
This $$$ is enough to move pretty much anywhere, go to private schools, have transport for work, buy drugs or sneakers without committing crime, invest in business, basically eliminate poverty among blacks.
In exchange, though not mandated by law, at a certain point in the future, you'd agree to stop holding the legacy of slavery responsible for every problem.
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