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It's happening regardless. The only difference is that cops are being paid to do nothing and they aren't being productive. If they aren't being productive, then firing them makes no difference and that's tax dollars that can go to more pressing matters like education in urban areas which would have a positive effect on crime rates in the first place(why else are crime rates half of what they were in the 90s?)
WOW … !!!
(1) Cops are bad bad bad because they're too aggressive …
(2) Cops are bad bad bad because they're not aggressive enough …
On the one hand, I do believe that the clear majority of police officers are dedicated and do the right thing. And they have a dangerous job that is now made harder. They have my sympathy.
On the other hand, there are the minority "Neanderthal cops" who don't belong in community policing and ought to be sent over to Syria to fight ISIS. And they are the ones who have created the problem, because now we suddenly are able to see what they are doing. I have no sympathy for them, only for their victims, and for the other policemen who are suffering because of them.
And on yet "another hand", I see no general movement in the country for police to work on solving the issues. And it's that old scenario that if you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you always got. The good guys need to step forward and break the cycle.
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Nah, not really. Stop and Frisk is really only in a small number of cities, like NYC.
Actually SQF in NYC is down so dramatically that the perps carry around guns again. They know the cops will not stop them. Oh your statement that just fire the cops is incredibly naïve. The cops will just be reactive instead of proactive. They will do the bare minimum. NOT A SINGLE COP WILL BE FIRED!!!!!! The funny thing is the ones that will be hurt the most are the minorities that in poor neighborhoods that hate the cops.
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I have mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand, I do believe that the clear majority of police officers are dedicated and do the right thing. And they have a dangerous job that is now made harder. They have my sympathy.
On the other hand, there are the minority "Neanderthal cops" who don't belong in community policing and ought to be sent over to Syria to fight ISIS. And they are the ones who have created the problem, because now we suddenly are able to see what they are doing. I have no sympathy for them, only for their victims, and for the other policemen who are suffering because of them.
And on yet "another hand", I see no general movement in the country for police to work on solving the issues. And it's that old scenario that if you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you always got. The good guys need to step forward and break the cycle.
As I said before all cops should be wearing body cameras. Good for the cop and good for the citizen. A win win for everyone involved!!! There is a start for you!
Unfortunately its not just police incidents. I have seen it at car accidents where people were trying to video the situation instead on helping someone who obviously needed assistance (car-bicycle incidents). More prominently is fights where a victim is overwhelmed and onlookers are looking to post material on a website.
Have argued the sad state of litigious America with lawyers. They feel its okay because everyone has 'rights'-which are now 'evidenced'.---Too bad Samaritans are punished for trying to help...so people get beaten while being filmed, and they get a check MINUS 40% for taxes and 30 % for legal fees.
I'm surprised that no one has been mistakenly shot by a cop while attempting to film a police action.
Actually SQF in NYC is down so dramatically that the perps carry around guns again. They know the cops will not stop them. Oh your statement that just fire the cops is incredibly naïve. The cops will just be reactive instead of proactive. They will do the bare minimum. NOT A SINGLE COP WILL BE FIRED!!!!!! The funny thing is the ones that will be hurt the most are the minorities that in poor neighborhoods that hate the cops.
My relatives in Baltimore are already living it. It's bad, my cousin no longer feels safe and is talking about moving. Her brother-in-law, a black cop, is so worried about responding to a call, trying to do his job, and ending up sued, or worse, in jail that he now hates his job.
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It's happening regardless. The only difference is that cops are being paid to do nothing and they aren't being productive. If they aren't being productive, then firing them makes no difference and that's tax dollars that can go to more pressing matters like education in urban areas which would have a positive effect on crime rates in the first place(why else are crime rates half of what they were in the 90s?)
The cops aren't doing "nothing", there is a difference in being productive and being proactive. The cops are still doing their job, when they get the calls they go, when they see an obvious crime being committed they'll act. But, in some instance they aren't going above and beyond to deal with possible criminals .. for example - investigating a group of people that are standing around and might be buying and selling drugs. And why should they be proactive instead of just productive when if something goes wrong, when it's unknown what exactly happened, if it's the cops fault, the perps fault, or just an accident the higher-ups throw them to the wolves -- take Baltimore for example, and even the whole PD in Ferguson after the GJ found Wilson to be in the right. I, for one, don't blame cops in some areas for being productive but not proactive.
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As I said before all cops should be wearing body cameras. Good for the cop and good for the citizen. A win win for everyone involved!!! There is a start for you!
Yes. They would have had body cams in Baltimore long before FG. Fitting the cops with body cams had been voted on and approved only to be vetoed by Rawlings-Blake, for some unknown reason. (though now she's for body cams, and making it sound like they should have had them long ago , the friggen drama queen)
As I said before all cops should be wearing body cameras. Good for the cop and good for the citizen. A win win for everyone involved!!! There is a start for you!
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I've said that all along.
A couple of more solutions you can stop all productivity quotas and targeted training.
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, the friggen drama queen)
