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Old 11-19-2015, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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You must be kidding... The only thing that would keep you from getting a plane ticket to the US is lack of a passport or your name being on a no-fly list. Looking through your luggage or asking you where you are staying is not screening. Your claim has been that we shouldn't allow Syrian refugees into the US because we can't vet their activities in Syria..well that same lack of information from Syria would mean that they would be able to get a passport and travel to the US, right?
That doesn't even make sense. Where do you think they will get a "Passport" if they are involved in activities in Syria we have no knowledge of, but Syria does. Syria is not going to issue them. So they would not be getting a Passport and coming here, would they.

You don't know what you would be bringing here with this program, until it was too late.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Back up for a minute and consider your claim that Syrian's can't be vetted because there is no way to obtain records from Syria. So, let's assume that is correct. If there are no records, then what would preclude them from obtaining a passport?

But aside from that, the story of this discovery of the Syrian passport stinks to high heaven, I think it was in the interest of ISIS to make sure it was discovered, and I'm not the only one who thinks so:
Just because we can't get records, does not mean Syria does not have access to records on those applying for Passports. Syria not issuing a Passport, would certainly count as preclusion, wouldn't it.

An ISIL Passport Plot? Really? That's so far fetched its funny.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Out there somewhere...a traveling man.
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Letting the Syrian refugees in will be like when letting the Somalian refugees in, read what is happening in Minnesota...

Minneapolis community struggles with ISIS recruiting tactics - CBS News
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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It is about time someone stands up to the dictator in chief.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Back up for a minute and consider your claim that Syrian's can't be vetted because there is no way to obtain records from Syria. So, let's assume that is correct. If there are no records, then what would preclude them from obtaining a passport?
That's not my claim. It's from our top intelligence officials and the US FBI director.

As for obtaining the passport, I'm not sure how that works in that part of the world. But if you're asking can people obtain something in a fraudulent manner? Of course. Nothing is 100% in life.

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But aside from that, the story of this discovery of the Syrian passport stinks to high heaven, I think it was in the interest of ISIS to make sure it was discovered, and I'm not the only one who thinks so:
Time will tell what the reality is of that situation but sure, it could have been a test run, etc.
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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That doesn't even make sense. Where do you think they will get a "Passport" if they are involved in activities in Syria we have no knowledge of, but Syria does. Syria is not going to issue them. So they would not be getting a Passport and coming here, would they. You don't know what you would be bringing here with this program, until it was too late.
You can't have it both ways...either the information is available or it's not; if it's not then it would not available, then it would not preclude the issuance of a passport, if it is then full vetting during the refugee screening process should be possible.
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Fine, let the Pope take them into the Vatican's 109 acres; then he can shut his mouth about other countries.
Great idea.

And how about them forking over some of their 8 billion(!) in assets to feed/clothe/shelter the refugees and walk the walk instead of telling other countries and everyone else what to do?

Inside the Vatican: The $8 billion global institution where nuns answer the phones - World News
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Just because we can't get records, does not mean Syria does not have access to records on those applying for Passports. Syria not issuing a Passport, would certainly count as preclusion, wouldn't it. An ISIL Passport Plot? Really? That's so far fetched its funny.
Do you have any idea how easy it is to get a Syrian passport? Here's what you do..come up with $1,000 and go to the Syrian embassy in Jordan and you have your very own official Syrian passport. Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked | World | News | Daily Express

As far as the ISIL passport plot, laugh all you want..But it makes more sense than it does to claim that we are perfectly safe with 111,000 Saudi students in our colleges but that 10,000 Syrians who have been in relocation camps for 2 or 3 years will put us all in harms way
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Great idea.

And how about them forking over some of their 8 billion(!) in assets to feed/clothe/shelter the refugees and walk the walk instead of telling other countries and everyone else what to do?

Inside the Vatican: The $8 billion global institution where nuns answer the phones - World News
The Vatican has actually taken in at least one Syrian family and plans to take in another. Maybe they could be doing more, but that's not terrible for a country with a population of just over 800 people...
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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The Vatican has actually taken in at least one Syrian family and plans to take in another. Maybe they could be doing more, but that's not terrible for a country with a population of just over 800 people...
I'm thinking more of not bringing them into the Vatican but setting up a huge area close to the region they are from and feed/clothe/protect them with their money until it's safe for the refugees to go back into their country. I'm impressed by a group that walks the walk instead of telling everyone/countries what they should do and that others should fund it. Those that talk the loudest in my view should act the loudest.
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