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Old 11-21-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Secure, Undisclosed
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It was sort of like The Provisional IRA and the IRA in Northern Ireland they both still exist...
Taiko: Thanks for the update.

Haven't been there since 1984, and back then the big bad guys in town were the NPA.

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Old 11-21-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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Taiko: Thanks for the update.

Haven't been there since 1984, and back then the big bad guys in town were the NPA.

R-3.
Up north, The Republic of the Philippines, they being the New People's Army still are. Although the Philippines government now classifies them as criminals engaging in kidnap for profit and extortion rather than Communist terrorist trying to reform the system of government. The US still officially sees them as terrorist
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Old 11-21-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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We need to stop thinking of these incidents as "hostage situations."
They don't take hostages...they gather victims.
The end game is everybody dead, including the killers.
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Old 11-21-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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We need to stop thinking of these incidents as "hostage situations."
They don't take hostages...they gather victims.
The end game is everybody dead, including the killers.
What should we call it when they are holding 170 living people if not a hostage situation? You want the headline to read as if they are already dead while they are still alive? I don't understand.
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Old 11-21-2015, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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What should we call it when they are holding 170 living people if not a hostage situation? You want the headline to read as if they are already dead while they are still alive? I don't understand.
It will dictate tactics. If we believed they were hostages and could be negotiated out then the security forces stay outside and wait it out. If we believe they are just waiting for enough press to arrive to kill and keep public attention then the security forces go into immediate action to prevent them from digging in and to lessen the compliment of their goals.

Now one government spokesman may call them hostages while another sees them as dead who might survive in the end but in the end the local commander in chief's thought on the status is all that matters.
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Old 11-21-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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It will dictate tactics. If we believed they were hostages and could be negotiated out then the security forces stay outside and wait it out. If we believe they are just waiting for enough press to arrive to kill and keep public attention then the security forces go into immediate action to prevent them from digging in and to lessen the compliment of their goals.

Now one government spokesman may call them hostages while another sees them as dead who might survive in the end but in the end the local commander in chief's thought on the status is all that matters.
Okay, but once again, what should the media call it while it's happening if not a hostage situation?
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Old 11-21-2015, 03:37 PM
 
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Okay, but once again, what should the media call it while it's happening if not a hostage situation?
The media will call it whatever the government spokesmen feeds them unless the terrorist gets a direct line to them and they are in a state with limited or no governmental control.
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Old 11-21-2015, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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What should we call it when they are holding 170 living people if not a hostage situation? You want the headline to read as if they are already dead while they are still alive? I don't understand.
Like I said, gathering up the victims.
They don't want hostages; they want to kill people.
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Old 11-22-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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Like I said, gathering up the victims.
They don't want hostages; they want to kill people.
So if your loved one is in such a situation, you really want the headlines to read "Victims gathered to die" while your loved one is still alive? Why would you want to add that extra bit of trauma to loved ones going through something like this? It makes it sound like they aren't even going to try to save them, for goodness sake. And remember in this case the vast majority WERE rescued. I fail to see your point, frankly.

"Hostage situation" IS accurate when people are being held alive.
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Old 11-22-2015, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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To me, hostage implies that the person holding the hostages is willing to negotiate an exchange for something.

In the Muslim "hostage" situations it appears there is no intent to let the "hostages" live.
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