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Old 11-24-2015, 09:45 PM
 
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Those are all physical conditions, not mental/emotional conditions. Apples to oranges.
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Is being transgender a mental disorder?

A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as "gender identity disorder."
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

This is the same manual you referenced up thread, when you thought it supported your position. If it was good enough for you to cite as proof then, it should be good enough now.
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Old 11-24-2015, 09:45 PM
 
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They "truly are" their sex at birth. One cannot change one's sex. Quacks all too happy to get rich from disfiguring human beings will never change that fact.
You call them quacks, I call them highly experienced and well educated medical professionals who studied this stuff, are board certified, have oversight, and have done these procedures countless of times and have seen many many success stories and happy patients. But hey, tomayto, tomahto, right?
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:21 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Yet again, I ask why you assume that transgenderism is a mental issue.
Because one's perception of one's own gender is at odds with one's actual (biological) gender.

Example: John has XY chromosomes, male genitalia, and male secondary sex characteristics, but John believes himself to be female (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary).



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If it were a true mental disorder like you seem to think it is, wouldn't the treatment be fixing the problem that causes the person to think they should be the opposite gender in the first place?
If this wasn't such a politicized issue, that's exactly what would be happening - and what should be happening.



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An issue in the brain, which I said I think it is, can be and is often very different than being mental or emotional.
If it was a physical condition of the brain instead of a mental condition, then it would be diagnosed and treated by neurologists instead of mental health professionals & plastic surgeons.
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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Sigh.



http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

This is the same manual you referenced up thread, when you thought it supported your position. If it was good enough for you to cite as proof then, it should be good enough now.
You're tilting at windmills. We've already established that it's not a "disorder," but that it is still a condition. After all, that's why its listing in the DSM-V was modified but not stricken.
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Old 11-25-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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If this wasn't such a politicized issue, that's exactly what would be happening - and what should be happening.
Do you have proof for this statement? So you think doctors essentially politicize medical conditions, too, and refuse to treat because some people don't like transgenderism or don't agree with some aspect of it? Because it has been "politicized" (whatever you mean by this)? What about that oath, then? Throw it out the window because politics? Makes sense.

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If it was a physical condition of the brain instead of a mental condition, then it would be diagnosed and treated by neurologists instead of mental health professionals & plastic surgeons.
It's an issue in the brain that is not treatable except by switching genders. Which is the "treatment." Psych specialists make sure the patient is ready for the process mentally and plastic surgeons do the job. That's treatment. The end.
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Old 11-25-2015, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well I guess most of you will be happy when trans people are murdered or kill themselves because of hate and intolerance. That is pretty sad.
No, but exactly why do they deserve any special day?
Why exactly do they deserve any special attention at all?
What exactly are they doing that "enriches" society?
It is part of our survival instinct to destroy that with is deemed a threat to the cohesion of a harmonius society, and these weird people sure fit the description.
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Old 11-25-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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No, but exactly why do they deserve any special day?
Why exactly do they deserve any special attention at all?
What exactly are they doing that "enriches" society?
It is part of our survival instinct to destroy that with is deemed a threat to the cohesion of a harmonius society, and these weird people sure fit the description.
Why are donuts so special that they deserve a national day? National Donut Day is a thing. Are donuts more important than people? I'd rather have a day for people than donuts.

This isn't an official day. It's not officially recognized by this country. We don't all take a moment of silence at once or have off work. It's been a "day" since 1999 I believe, and everyone survived not knowing about it until it somehow made the news this year. I know I didn't know about it until this year. I survived the last 16 years with it.

What are they doing that enriches society? People like Caitlyn Jenner, with influence and fans, coming forward at an older age and going through this regardless of all the hate and you know she is getting hate. Just read this thread. Her courage inspires other transgendered people, especially teens who are confused and depressed already even without being transgender and feeling even more different, abnormal, and alone. She inspires people and helps let them know that it's okay and it's possible to be happy. To them, that is a big deal.

What do donuts do to enrich my life? I rarely even eat donuts. But they have a day. And this one IS advertised and you can get a free donut at Dunkin on National Donut Day. But do I complain about it? No. I just don't get a free donut. I go about my day as if it's NOT National Donut Day. Why can't people just do the same for this day?
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