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The West is unwilling to deploy forces to ensure success. Rebels are fractured and divided by ideology and Assad is unwilling to leave power. Oust Assad and who takes over? The strongest forces in the region, likely Isis.
The rebels aren't fractured. They're fighting the government on multiple fronts. You don't fight a single front and risk getting wiped out by a conventional force with tanks and air power. US/NATO is clearly trying to figure out how to increase their involvement without it becoming a direct confrontation with Syria or Russia. Also, there's never been strong public support in the past for a war against Syria or for regime change.
The rebels aren't fractured. They're fighting the government on multiple fronts. You don't fight a single front and risk getting wiped out by a conventional force with tanks and air power. US/NATO is clearly trying to figure out how to increase their involvement without it becoming a direct confrontation with Syria or Russia. Also, there's never been strong public support in the past for a war against Syria or for regime change.
They are very fractured, even fighting each other at times, and a soup mix ranging from radicals to moderates, with all being a gray area as a moderate today could be a radical tomorrow, and vice-versa, given the right circumstances.
This is why the US has such strict standards on things like TOW missiles, in that for each one fired, they have to bring back the the empty tube in exchange for another one, and is why the US will not provide anti-air to any of them.
Their fractured existence is why they have not won against Assad, and while Assad does not control a lot of Syria, really not too many do outside large population areas.
The only reason they are fighting the government on multiple fronts is because looking at the map, they have not advanced far enough against Assad to come into large contact with each other. I would bet that if Assad falls, the civil war will turn even worst as rebel groups fight each other for power, with ISIS and other radicals exploiting every weakness that comes with a power vacuum.
I think what moderates there are, and Assad, should come to accord with Assad agreeing to step down after free elections are held, but in the mean time, have a coordinated attack against those who do not sign onto the deal. But the West is not a fan of this deal, maybe/probably Assad also, because it leaves an unknown to come in, and this unknown may not toe in line with Western policies, just as in Ukraine the free election of Yanukovich did not sit in line with Western policies.
No doubt the Russian plane violated Turkish airspace, to the extent it was worth shooting down is up to debate of course. Looking at the map and the history of that specific border; I do not believe there is any way "ten warnings" could have been made, and the longest the Russian plane could have been in Turkish airspace is what, 20 seconds? Plus the plane was shot down over Syria, everyone is acting like the plane was way deep in Turkish territory. Regards to the border, very unclear info, but seems this border area is not internationally recognized, taken by Turkey from Syria in 2005, but this is unclear, anyone have better info? I not have time to look too into it right now. But point is maps and pilot trajectories may not take this into account.
+-20 seconds sounds about right at an assumed 700mph. Interesting info on the border googling it.
What has our success rate been with every country leader taken out?
Iraq?
Libya?
If we do not stop messing around in other countries, the war will come to us or we'll get dragged into yet another ground war we end up slinking away from after spilling more blood.
Turkey? The fools. Assad wasn't going into Turkey, NATO would never allow it so what is the problem with them?
NATO can't side with the Turks. A fighter jet flying over the border isn't grounds for war which is what this is. The Russians didn't bomb anything in Turkey. There was no attack but shooting down that fighter was.
Turkey knows exactly what the Russians are doing and who they are targeting. Assad is no threat the Turkey.
Turkey has now become a liability.
There is no difference between ISIS and the Rebels. None. Both want to eliminate the USA and western cultures. How safe is it in Libya these days?
To all the air-headed opinionated loud mouthed uneducated too lazy to research anything blowhard jackasses here, if you want to try to learn even one iota of what's going on there, look up Turkmen Mountain.
What has our success rate been with every country leader taken out?
Iraq?
Libya?
If we do not stop messing around in other countries, the war will come to us or we'll get dragged into yet another ground war we end up slinking away from after spilling more blood.
Turkey? The fools. Assad wasn't going into Turkey, NATO would never allow it so what is the problem with them?
NATO can't side with the Turks. A fighter jet flying over the border isn't grounds for war which is what this is. The Russians didn't bomb anything in Turkey. There was no attack but shooting down that fighter was.
Turkey knows exactly what the Russians are doing and who they are targeting. Assad is no threat the Turkey.
Turkey has now become a liability.
There is no difference between ISIS and the Rebels. None. Both want to eliminate the USA and western cultures. How safe is it in Libya these days?
Assad is a threat in Turkey's geo-political goals for the area. Turkey has been aiming to be the dominate regional power in the area, and people like Assad are in the way of this (besides Turkey being at the call of carrying out Western policies). One day this regional power attempt will put Turkey at odds with Saudi Arabia, and a conflict will occur because of this, something I am surprised Turkey does not take into account. Sure, the US and Soviets cooperated knowing that they will come into conflict later, but that cooperation was against the Axis, hardly comparable to Assad. Turkey's number one enemy are the Kurds, and Turkey dislikes Assad and Iran due to their support of the Kurds. Turkey has to grind its teeth over US policies in Iraq towards the Kurds, and think of ways not to cross the line with the US while maintaining its hostility towards the Kurds.
Turkey wants an anti-Kurd regime in Syria, to wipe out Syrian Kurds, not wipe physically, but wipe out the threat of the Kurds becoming a political force. The Kurds grew in political force under Assad.
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