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Old 11-24-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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Here's what'll happen:
Putin will cry bloody murder. That's it. That's all he can do, except make damn sure that Russian Air Force pilots scrupulously respect Turkish airspace. He can't pull out of Syria after this and the airliner shootdown without a major loss of face at home, and Turkish air defense is more than capable of bloodying the Russian nose if it tries anything overt in Turkey.
Exactly.

This is precisely what will happen. Putin is a bully but Turkey has a serious military and they probably had enough of the Russian incursions. It's just a warning, and I don't doubt the Russian jets will no longer violate Turkish airspace.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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It was bound to happen. And Putin is not going to do anything except have a temper tantrum.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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You are just making up stuff. Assad and ISIS are allies. They have carved out separate zones of influence and are cooperating in terms of trade, energy, and utilities. They are both killing rebels.

The rebels are fighting Assad and ISIS. Anyone who supports Assad supports ISIS. Russia's actions in Syria have strengthened ISIS, which is the whole point. Russia is protecting Assad by bombing the rebels.
Rebel forces are incapable of success. Propping up rebel forces bolsters the power vacuum which benefits isis. There are pretty much zero indications Assad and ISIS are allied. Is Assad prioritizing western support rebels? Yup.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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Exactly.

This is precisely what will happen. Putin is a bully but Turkey has a serious military and they probably had enough of the Russian incursions. It's just a warning, and I don't doubt the Russian jets will no longer violate Turkish airspace.
Wow, this sounds familiar.
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Old 11-24-2015, 07:59 AM
 
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Rebel forces are incapable of success.
OK, and?
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Propping up rebel forces bolsters the power vacuum which benefits isis.
Strengthening the power of rebels bolsters the "power vacuum"? Makes zero sense. How does ISIS benefit by having its enemies strengthened?
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There are pretty much zero indications Assad and ISIS are allied. Is Assad prioritizing western support rebels? Yup.
None of this is true. Everyone knows they are cooperating and have carved out separate geopolitical spheres. They are trading oil, household goods, and have agreements on power delivery. This is is why Russia is bombing the rebels and not ISIS.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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Good for Turkey. They are willing to stand up to the murderous bully Putin.
Ummm. Turkey is one of the countries behind the ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorist militias waging war on Syria. 5 million refugees and 400,000 deaths later, Russia shows up to try to prevent the final onslaught by these forces. Turkey, on the other hand, tries to set up buffer zones to protect their militias and even tries to bring in the Tukrmen militia as reinforcements.

Russia has been bombing ISIS. You're just making things up. ISIS is a rebel force. They have battle lines where their forces are in hostile contact with the Syrian government forces, especially around Damascus. The Syrian government and the Iranian military have also been preparing for the ground forces to go into Raqqa. This was announced in the third week of October. Most of Russia's bombing campaign has focused on the front lines where the CIA-backed militias are fighting the Syrian government. The obvious need is to reclaim territory from these proxy armies. Bombing well beyond the front lines should be mainly restricted to the supply lines. Anything else is just a waste of bombing.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:15 AM
 
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OK, and?

Strengthening the power of rebels bolsters the "power vacuum"? Makes zero sense. How does ISIS benefit by having its enemies strengthened?


None of this is true. Everyone knows they are cooperating and have carved out separate geopolitical spheres. They are trading oil, household goods, and have agreements on power delivery. This is is why Russia is bombing the rebels and not ISIS.
How does Isis benefit from a failed state? Isis can only exist in a failed state. Propping up forces with no capacity to win and govern gives ISIS latitude to thrive.

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Old 11-24-2015, 08:29 AM
 
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Ummm. Turkey is one of the countries behind the ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorist militias waging war on Syria.
No, they aren't. Turkey has been fighting ISIS, Al Qaeda and the like. They are a member of NATO, and the sworn enemy of ISIS.

And there are no "terrorist militias waging war on Syria". There is no more "Syria" at this time. It's a piece of land that various groups are fighting over, terrorist and otherwise.
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5 million refugees and 400,000 deaths later, Russia shows up to try to prevent the final onslaught by these forces.
LOL! No, Russia showed up because they are trying to protect Assad, so that he can continue to murder and pillage in a small part of Syria. He is a Russian ally, so that's why Russia is there.
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Turkey, on the other hand, tries to set up buffer zones to protect their militias and even tries to bring in the Tukrmen militia as reinforcements.
Absolutely. The Turkmen are ethnic Turks who have been slaughtered by Assad.
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Russia has been bombing ISIS.
No, they haven't. They claim to be bombing ISIS in their state propaganda, but they are only there to protect Assad, who is allied with ISIS. That is why none of the western nations battling ISIS are working with Russia; Russia has totally different aims.
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You're just making things up. ISIS is a rebel force. They have battle lines where their forces are in hostile contact with the Syrian government forces, especially around Damascus.
None of this is true. ISIS is nowhere near Damascus, and ISIS is working with Assad, not against him. They have carved out separate spheres of influence.
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The Syrian government and the Iranian military have also been preparing for the ground forces to go into Raqqa.
There is no "Syrian government". What are you even talking about? Is this some Russian propaganda or something?
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:31 AM
 
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How does Isis benefit from a failed state? Isis can only exist in a failed state. Propping up forces with no capacity to win and govern gives ISIS latitude to thrive.
Exactly. And this is why Assad needs to be removed before ISIS can be defeated. They are two different, but aligned, cancers on the region.
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Old 11-24-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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Putin: Downing Of Jet A 'Stab In The Back'

Lets hope cooler heads prevail and this does not develop any further. 'Rebels' have killed one of the pilots (allegedly) and one is missing.

It is IMO time to stop this nonsense recognize Assad and call it a day. This is an incredibly dangerous day missteps will cost us all.
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