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Old 11-27-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: NC
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It fascinates me that people are so hung up on how they look. What difference does it make?

Two little girls are dead.

Their parents should have guided them better.
It's easy to blame the parents. But honestly, the animals who target people for radicalization are very cunning. I have seen them in action. It's an entire system of brainwashing. If the parents had no experience with seeing this, they may well have not know how bad it was until it was too late.
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Old 11-27-2015, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Manhattan, Aspen
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What bimbos. Do they not realize they're joining an organization that has extreme misogyny as part of their ideology? Why are they working against their own interests?

If this was European men joining, I wouldn't be as surprised. But women??
If you'd grown up with the TV telling you THIS was a swoon-worthy male (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZr1cxPYP-A) - among other messages - then you'd already have all sorts of seeds planted in your subconscious, ready to germinate.

Truth is, Slavic people are still regarded as ideal slaves - currently, as brothel slaves. And the various faces and flavors of organized crime have been pumping out, in media, the implicit message, "Go ahead! Flirt with danger! It'll all turn out well. What's important is that you get over there, where things are GREAT!"
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Old 11-27-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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If these were two teen boys instead, would there be anyone defending them? What's up with the double standard? Is it because they were females that they were "manipulated"?

The only reason I feel bad for them is because they were probably used as sex slaves. As far as them defecting to ISIS, no remorse or sympathy.
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Old 11-27-2015, 12:04 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Being a practicing Muslim doesn't mean they were radicalized in a mosque, do you have a source for that? Their parents, like most of these kids, had no idea either. They also don't seem to have been practicing Muslims in Vienna, at least they aren't wearing the garb and it certainly doesn't seem they behaved like Muslims are supposed to.
I can only site what I have read concerning their radicalization in a Mosque but I have read other sources available that claim they were as well. I know a few Muslim families myself and they absolutely do not behave as one would believe Muslims are 'suppose to', whatever that conjures up.

Maybe that is what makes them perfect fodder for ISIS and the other various Islamic terrorist organizations.

The Long War Journal - Austria’s radical Islam problem - November 10, 2014

In April, Samra Kesinovic, 17, and Sabina Selimovic, 15, two Austrian girls who had been radicalized by a local mosque, departed to join the Islamic State in Syria. The girls left notes in their bedrooms that said “Don’t look for us. We will serve Allah–and we will die for him,” according to Austrian police.

“Vienna has served as the de facto base for Islamist extremists from southeastern Europe, a place to recruit, raise and hide funds, and radicalize, thanks to Austria’s permissive laws and weak enforcement mechanisms,” wrote former NSA intelligence analyst John Schindler, who has a deep expertise in jihadist activity in the Balkans and Austria.

Austria’s radical Islam problem | The Long War Journal
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Old 11-27-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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If these were two teen boys instead, would there be anyone defending them? What's up with the double standard? Is it because they were females that they were "manipulated"?

The only reason I feel bad for them is because they were probably used as sex slaves. As far as them defecting to ISIS, no remorse or sympathy.
No one is defending them where did you get that from? I am simply trying to point out we need to use tactics that mirror those the terrorists are using. Again dismissing these girls as unique from other kids, OR as typical Muslims keeps us vulnerable, JMO. Where are you getting they are being defended from? P.S. they ARE recruiting teen boys this way too, which I stated in my posts as well.

They were radicalized by a Muslim cleric, but this was not any mosque they belonged to as a family. These kids are being targeted outside their families, and we need to find new ways to combat that if we want any chance at stopping their growth.
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Old 11-27-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: MA
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I disagree with that, simply because American kids are also joining them.



How many American kids are actually joining Isis?
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Old 11-27-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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How many American kids are actually joining Isis?
I don't know how many, but there are many stories about teens running away and trying to get to Turkey, as well as people like the Boston Marathon bombers. I'm sure exact stats are available somewhere.
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Old 11-27-2015, 04:08 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Religion's the problem - in this case Islam.
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Old 11-27-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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What a tragic story! Their parents survived war at home in Bosnia, they escaped, and both girls were born in Austria. Their parents did everything they could to survive war, they tried so hard to give their daughters a good start in life. That the 17 year old daughter was rebellious, and that she influenced a 15 year old girl, is 100% tragic. I cannot imagine the grief of the parents given the loss that they have known/lived.

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Old 11-27-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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But they chose to raise them in a religion that teaches that Islam must conquer the world, by violent means, that non-Muslim human life is worthless, that it is better to die a "martyr" (we call them murderers) to get into heaven, than to live a peaceful life. Even if the parents themselves do not hold these beliefs, by allowing them to go to the mosque, or even to identify as Muslims, in today's world, they ran the risk of them becoming enamored of radical Islam and running off to join the Khalifate in Syria.
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