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Old 12-18-2015, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Someone who has been taught from birth to eat meat and meat by products might have a hard time understanding that they have simply been brainwashed by an industry bent upon cruelty.. deception... food modification... and heavily biased marketing.
Eating meat is part of our evolution and what has made us human. Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains.

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Old 12-18-2015, 06:29 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Eating meat is part of our evolution and what has made us human. Eating meat and cooking food is how humans got their big brains.

And those big brains have the ability to make reasoned better decisions... Don't we?
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Old 12-18-2015, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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And those big brains have the ability to make reasoned better decisions... Don't we?
I do not think being a vegan is in any way a better reasoned decision. It reminds me of the first vegetarian I ever met. Very vocal and preachy....and fat.

She kept preaching and ruined many an office lunch. I am like thinking why is she so fat? Then I realized that chocolate is vegetarian.
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Old 12-18-2015, 06:58 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Health eating is healthy eating... Sans meat healthy eating has all the same requisites ... Being VEGAN isn't an end all ... If you choose a diet of VEGAN chocolate you will still be unhealthy... But ..you are bringing a good point to light

Many people I meet tell me for conversation or guilts sake thry are vegetarian..but eat fish... Or a meat eater but eat chicken because they say it's healthier for them... Still faulty logic in the end

Healthy vegans are high producers of energy and work product... Unhealthy ones drawn to it as some kind of alternative living lifestyle for all the wrong reasons will still be unhealthy... The skinny scrawny pastey faced waif picture comes to mind

Real vegans aren't anything like that... My wife has run over 100 marathons... I've completed many triathlons.. Abet I'm getting old and naturally diminishing in intensity now. I haven't experienced many of the things typically associated by meat eaters with life long vegans... For me.. It's been exactly the opposite.

Today... I'll do everything to know about what I put in my body... I won't be at Micky d's eating something.. Or at home town buffet relishing free for all. I used to be ridiculed for being a vegan by other policemen... Who for the most part are fairly conservative...today..as my brethren ages I get asked all the time about my diet...so attitudes are changing as people start looking at longevity and retirement... Who wants high blood cholesterol... Cancers... Gout... Arthritis.. And the plethora of other conditions that one gets with the meat based diet

It's an attitude about living..most meat eaters have long since forgot...

The sluggish feeling after feasting on dead flesh.. Your body is trying to compensate... Meat eaters have long since stopped listening to the best computer in the world
Their brain

True preppers understand the power of grains and legumes...

Meat eaters are only eating processed vegetable material ... As meat..why not go to the source?

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Old 12-18-2015, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Health eating is healthy eating... Sans meat healthy eating has all the same requisites ... Being VEGAN isn't an end all ... If you choose a diet of VEGAN chocolate you will still be unhealthy... But ..you are bringing a good point to light

Many people I meet tell me for conversation or guilts sake thry are vegetarian..but eat fish... Or a meat eater but eat chicken because they say it's healthier for them... Still faulty logic in the end

Healthy vegans are high producers of energy and work product... Unhealthy ones drawn to it as some kind of alternative living lifestyle for all the wrong reasons will still be unhealthy... The skinny scrawny pastey faced waif picture comes to mind

Real vegans aren't anything like that... My wife has run over 100 marathons... I've completed many triathlons.. Abet I'm getting old and naturally diminishing in intensity now. I haven't experienced many of the things typically associated by meat eaters with life long vegans... For me.. It's been exactly the opposite.

Today... I'll do everything to know about what I put in my body... I won't be at Micky d's eating something.. Or at home town buffet relishing free for all

It's an attitude about living..most meat eaters have long since forgot...

The sluggish feeling after feasting on dead flesh.. Your body is trying to compensate... Meat eaters have long since stop listening to the best computer in the world
Their brain

True preppers understand the power of grains and legumes...
This is all your opinion and counter to millions of years of evolution. It is all of this that makes your fantasy lifestyle possible.

Also I am not a prepper and do not think they are any more intelligent than anyone else.
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Old 12-18-2015, 07:13 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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This is all your opinion and counter to millions of years of evolution. It is all of this that makes your fantasy lifestyle possible.

Also I am not a prepper and do not think they are any more intelligent than anyone else.
Well..I guess research that supports my fantasy trumps all else...

Or is it your opinion that a meat based diet is healthier than the vegan diet... If that is your assertion then it would differ with the overwhelming amount of fact based evidence out there

But hey.. Enjoy

Merry Christmas to you
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Old 12-18-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Well..I guess research that supports my fantasy trumps all else...

Or is it your opinion that a meat based diet is healthier than the vegan diet... If that is your assertion then it would differ with the overwhelming amount of fact based evidence out there

But hey.. Enjoy

Merry Christmas to you
You have to supplement a vegan diet. There are plenty of ex-vegans out there You can find evidence that supports both as to health and you can find studies that counter studies in a great deal of things we eat.

I really do not care what fantasies you believe or really how anybody eats. That is their choice.

The difference between you and me is that I do not need to justify what I eat to myself, use it as a way to raise a low self esteem and am not part of some lifefashion movement.
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Old 12-18-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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I live in a hippy town with lots of vegetarians. I don't recall any of them being preachy about their vegetarianism. Most don't care what everyone else eats but they still have to endure comments like "what about your smart phone" or "aren't those shoes leather". As notmeofficer does, some people choose to leave a lighter footprint. It's not a challenge to those who don't. Live and let live.
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Old 12-18-2015, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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I live in a hippy town with lots of vegetarians. I don't recall any of them being preachy about their vegetarianism. Most don't care what everyone else eats but they still have to endure comments like "what about your smart phone" or "aren't those shoes leather". As notmeofficer does, some people choose to leave a lighter footprint. It's not a challenge to those who don't. Live and let live.
I really would not know anything about notmeofficer's life style if they did not get all preachy about it.
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Old 12-18-2015, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Someone who has been taught from birth to eat meat and meat by products might have a hard time understanding that they have simply been brainwashed by an industry bent upon cruelty.. deception... food modification... and heavily biased marketing.

Vegans arent superior to anyone,,, however they make the conscious choice to not support such the well funded well marketed meat industry for all the right reasons.. health (Vegans can be some of the best athletes in the world), conscious living (understanding and living the circle of life), spirituality (you ARE what you eat and if you eat foods derived from horrible practices this does affect ones own spiritual path)

Do Americans care where their food comes from... most do not.. So they dont WANT to know what they do to the planet is horrible.. from Tyson Foods to Jimmy Dean.. enough salt and fat to fulfill their pleasure receptors they'll eat anything


Being a conscious healthy vegan requires work.. at least in the beginning if you are transitioning away from a meat based diet (note I dont talk about being a vegetarian... which is only one step removed form being a meat eater). Understanding food combining, amino acids, proper nutrition is a challenge... but one that has been fully researched and is easy to follow if one desires the effort.. most Americans do not.. many are deadened by their consumption of meat

For those who want to go one step further beyond the health aspects of being a vegan and move into the spiritual side taking on not wearing leather (which I will state for the record is very hard for me.. but getting easier as I wear boots and equipment that have been traditionally leather..but thankfully more choices are available today) or engaging in consumption of products that are animals based ( I marred a natural (and as such beautiful) woman who never wears makeup and is vegan as well.. I dont think I could have ever been attracted to a person who eats meat)
We would like to grow ALL of our food but we havent yet... but that is for logistical reasons of water and not that we dont have the skills... we are working on transiting to such a lifestyle)

It means instead of grabbing .. I dont know.. lets say 409.. a common cleaning product we use vinegar and baking soda instead...
It means looking at alternative fuels for our vehicles... in the case of my old truck... propane.. and bulding the vehicle around the fuel (and I would be happy to talk about the modifications to do so)

It means looking at naturally dyed cloths of natural materials when possible... and if not using the petrochemical produced ones to their fullest life.. not being a consumptive person


It comes down to a choice.. do you understand that EVERY choice you make (pro life for example) can affect someone else.. That food choices are important because we have already overpopulated Mother....

Those of you that salivate over dead flesh today.. well... nothing that is said here will change those deeply ingrained beliefs because you and your body have been hyper-conditioned,,,

Conscious thought takes conscious action

Would you eat your dog?.. many hunters love their dog as much as their wife.. dogs are delicacies in many places in the world...
I think not...

To hunters of innocent sentient beings I always say... dont be a pussycat.. hunt terrorists.. do the world a favor.. reduce the population...of things that shoot back... laying in your blind with your scope with a food plot planted to bring innocent beings to you for your lust to kill... now that is truly sick psychotic behavior

Slaughter is slaughter... there is no humane right way.. not when better alternatives for food are available..for the last seconds of its life.. in the seconds an animal is being executed just what kind of chemicals do you think are released into it's organs as it is being murdered...you eat all of those... plants arent sentient ... as much as meat eaters like to state they "feel" pain... they dont go through the same process

As a vegan I note and it is stunningly clear that you are what you eat... heavy meat consumers begin to look animal like to me...


Eat the magic bean...
You do realize that you ARE an animal, right? With your own place in the food chain designed by someone or something with a great deal more knowledge than you?

As for brainwashing, I wouldn't be throwing that particular rock around in my glass house if I were you.
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