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Old 12-27-2015, 07:27 PM
 
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Pro life pro gun pro conservatism.... And in a group you would never see a lifetime vegan

So... The mold doth breaketh
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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But that's not the environmental issue. Sticking to the environment, we know that it takes 100 pounds of grain to produce a pound of beef. If the grain were not being fed to cattle -- who I've recently learned also create a large part of the greenhouse gases we are currently choking on -- they could be fed to humans which would improve their colon health, cholesterol levels and vitamin B levels, among other things.
If everyone stops eating meat, what's going to happen to the animals? Where are they going to go?
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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If everyone stops eating meat, what's going to happen to the animals? Where are they going to go?
Lol, the producers would stop breeding them. The ones leftover can hang out in fields and whatnot till they die naturally or get eaten by natural predators.

I don't think that will be a concern for a while, though.
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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If everyone stops eating meat, what's going to happen to the animals? Where are they going to go?
What if the Korowai tribe in Papa New Guinea who are cannibals stopped eating people? What's going to happen to the people? Where are they going to go?
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:42 PM
 
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What if the Korowai tribe in Papa New Guinea who are cannibals stopped eating people? What's going to happen to the people? Where are they going to go?
I don't believe my question was a stupid one. If a farmer has the animals for profit, why would he keep them if he no longer farms them? Why would he set aside land for them? Where will they be released to?
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I don't believe my question was a stupid one. If a farmer has the animals for profit, why would he keep them if he no longer farms them? Why would he set aside land for them? Where will they be released to?
I think Mightyqueen801 answered your question.

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Lol, the producers would stop breeding them. The ones leftover can hang out in fields and whatnot till they die naturally or get eaten by natural predators.

I don't think that will be a concern for a while, though.
And farmers follow the profit/what they can make a buck on. If there's no demand for product A but more for product B, a farmer will stop or cut back producing A and increase production of product B. Supply and demand rule in the end.
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Old 12-27-2015, 09:52 PM
 
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I think Mightyqueen801 answered your question.



And farmers follow the profit/what they can make a buck on. If there's no demand for product A but more for product B, a farmer will stop or cut back producing A and increase production of product B. Supply and demand rule in the end.
I understand that. But what happens to the ones that exist now? Will they just be slaughtered or go off to a zoo or wildlife preserve somewhere? Who gets to decide?
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Old 12-27-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I understand that. But what happens to the ones that exist now? Will they just be slaughtered or go off to a zoo or wildlife preserve somewhere? Who gets to decide?
I think that again would come down to what's most profitable for the producer. $/profit rules in the end and this drives the vast majority of decisions made in the world.
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Old 12-27-2015, 10:18 PM
 
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I understand that. But what happens to the ones that exist now? Will they just be slaughtered or go off to a zoo or wildlife preserve somewhere? Who gets to decide?
Most likely, they will be allowed to starve to death as it's no longer profitable to care for and feed them.
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Old 12-28-2015, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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Pro life pro gun pro conservatism.... And in a group you would never see a lifetime vegan

So... The mold doth breaketh
This is the problem, it is as much a fashion choice for you and other vegans as it is about health. You use it to self validate your life. It really is not about that.

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Lol, the producers would stop breeding them. The ones leftover can hang out in fields and whatnot till they die naturally or get eaten by natural predators.

I don't think that will be a concern for a while, though.
People are predators.
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What if the Korowai tribe in Papa New Guinea who are cannibals stopped eating people? What's going to happen to the people? Where are they going to go?
Straw man. Silly, but still straw man.
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I think Mightyqueen801 answered your question.

And farmers follow the profit/what they can make a buck on. If there's no demand for product A but more for product B, a farmer will stop or cut back producing A and increase production of product B. Supply and demand rule in the end.
Mightyqueen801 actually did not answer it but let us look at it a different way. What happens to the animals when not only are they not in demand but that they are now just pests? I mean growing crops has not been working out well for animals from slash and burn agriculture in the amazon to the negative effects on the environment of just coffee production.

Despite being able to say "vegan" easily there are no easy real world solutions to the problems we face.

I believe even notmeofficer has mentioned that he compromises. Who makes those decisions? It is always so easy to preach when you give yourself an out.
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