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I could never understand the rational behind laying down and letting someone murder me without a fight.
I'm with you. I'm "just a girl" but spent 9yrs in the Marines and believe I could be effective in critical situations.
BUT the "hiding" theory is to barricade yourself in a safe room. If you're talking one shooter, chances are he won't spend time shooting at or messing around with a door that has furniture piled against it. If you have a lot of people, this isn't a bad option. Better than making yourself a moving target for an automatic weapon. (imo)
This. I wish they would stop propagating this nonsense that someone with a weapon is invincible. Shooting any weapon becomes substantially more difficult with the more distractions that arise, especially with your adrenaline pumping, even for someone that is incredibly well trained. If you have a bunch of people in a room, if only 3 or 4 distract the shooter, do something other than run and cower, you can force the shooter to go from an offensive stance to a defensive one very quickly.
The normal response is to run, panic and hide but in every one of these incidents, the numbers strongly favor those being attacked, if only a few chose to fight back, start attacking the shooter in whatever fashion they could, it could greatly limit the ultimate loss of lives in a situation where there is no place to retreat.
They aren't "Invincible" and no one has claimed they were, but they do command the situation, and some how making up a scenario in your mind where your going to "rush" or "distract" the shooter, and save the day is lunacy. What they are proposing in these classes is, "We won't give you guns, but will show you how to trade lives. The death of a few to save more than a few. Sounds good for a "Movie" or a Hero's Folk Tale, but I know I am not about to trade my life for some one else. Sorry. This would not be a Movie. I would rather just carry a gun, and take my chances shooting back, if there was absolutely no place to go. They could arrest me after the shooting, if I survived.
The fact is, if you rush the shooter, he/she is going to shoot you first. If you throw things at the shooter, he/she will shoot you first. Look at how many the average rampant Shooter kills in a shooting spree. Its more than the 3 or 4 you suggest that should "distract" the shooter. You do know what "Distract" means don't you? Its Politically Correct for "Draw attention and Draw fire." Offensive and Defensive are just words in a Dictionary. They mean nothing in an active shooter scenario. To imply in some way that your life will be saved by making the shooter defend himself against people with no guns, is ludicrous.
It's a thread about a specific change in active shooter training, with "arm everyone" not being the change under discussion.
Its "Fools" training. Only the Movies get away with those type scenarios. They certainly don't train the Police to throw cans at a Criminal or active shooter, or distract him so the rest of them can "Rush" and subdue him. I wonder what kind of idiots are promoting this Training, instead of spending that time on helping Citizens have the tools available, if they choose, to protect themselves.
I put this right in with the "Training" that's Titled, "How to Take Down a Full Grown Mad Grizzly With Your Bare Hands and a Can of Beans."
Irrelevant to the thread. This is not a thread about the benefits of being armed, it's about being in a situation where one is not armed.
Yep. A Thread on how to commit Legal "Suicide." Or, Be a Martyr, with no Virgins promised, but maybe a Medal.
Actually, its quite humorous that people are actually considering this type of Training, without fighting for other options, such as an armed Security Guard, where you did not have to be armed. Sounds like something more in the line of what ISIL would teach, where dying for the right cause is OK.
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