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Old 12-21-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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I always worried about shootings when I went bak to school. Once, someone told me a kid made comments about a gun. I started running scenarios about what I'd do in a shooting situation.

One thing I thought of if I heard shots fired down the hall is grab a heavy duty three hole punch, stand to the side, wait for the shooter to open the door, then bring the three hole punch down HARD over his head.
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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I would guess that a few people screaming like banshees while charging and throwing object will throw most of these shooters into panic and even cause them to retreat. The problem is that charging a person with a gun goes against most people's nature.

Since I've never, thank God, been in such a situation, I couldn't say for sure what I'd do if I were at work and unarmed.

Because there is a good chance I'm armed outside of work with my family, the odds are that I'd be in a high kneel stance behind whatever cover was close by waiting for a clear and certain shot as a processed the situation.
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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I always worried about shootings when I went bak to school. Once, someone told me a kid made comments about a gun. I started running scenarios about what I'd do in a shooting situation.

One thing I thought of if I heard shots fired down the hall is grab a heavy duty three hole punch, stand to the side, wait for the shooter to open the door, then bring the three hole punch down HARD over his head.
That is kind of the approach my daughter took at our home when she was confronted by an active shooter.

My 7-year-old son shot her (9-years-old) with his nerf bow and arrow. She took the bow from him and proceeded to slam it over his head breaking the bow in half (and those things are somewhat stout). The shooter was neutralized and in tears.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I could never understand the rational behind laying down and letting someone murder me without a fight.
How are you gonna fight? Don’t think they are also allowing you to carry to work. So they say fight but won’t say with what.
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Old 12-21-2015, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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The best thing to do if you don't have a gun is to throw things at the shooter. The room in San Bernardino was full of chairs that could have been thrown at the shooter.
Be serious now. You’ll never get that chance. There were 300 people in that concert hall in Paris. They couldn’t do a damn thing. Besides, have you tried to lift an office chair lately, let alone throw it 15 feet?
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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This kind of training does a couple of important things, one of which is to inculcate into people that a man with a gun is not a superman. Teaching a morbid fear of guns or a man with a gun is shown now to be counterproductive to living through an active shooter situation.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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There were 300 people in that concert hall in Paris. They couldn’t do a damn thing.
Nonsense. They could have overwhelmed the shooters IF they'd been able to fight their (perfectly understandable) instinct to freeze in fear. But it's hard for untrained people who've never imagined themselves in an active shooter scenario to do that.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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Be serious now. You’ll never get that chance. There were 300 people in that concert hall in Paris. They couldn’t do a damn thing. Besides, have you tried to lift an office chair lately, let alone throw it 15 feet?
You don't actually know if there will never be a chance. Most cases are not "that concert hall in Paris."


There is a concept called OODA--observe, orient, decide, and act--which indicates that if you screw up an antagonist's expected game plan (particularly an antagonist who has not been trained extensively in anything more than that expected game plan), you can in fact disorient him enough to prevail.


Adolescents, in particular, are easily disoriented by the unexpected.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:49 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Not if they are able to seriously injure the shooter, which is the goal of throwing objects.
You would be amazed at the damage that can be inflicted by an unopened coke can thrown by a terrified person 15 feet away.

And don't forget the guys who took down the train shooter in Europe. They were unarmed.
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Old 12-21-2015, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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I could never understand the rational behind laying down and letting someone murder me without a fight.
Which is why I don't quite get the whole ISIS beheadings and crap.

Why would one just calmly kneel down and patiently wait for a man to slice my head off? Why not fight, and potentially get shot instead? Much less painful.
Same with the Jordanian pilot. Why walk to his own demise?
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