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Over 100 million Chinese are being told to stay home. The pm2.5 pollution index is over 700 in some areas, and checking online I can see one city over 1,000 in China
This is a truly brutal level of pollution. And China's citizens are going to suffer lifelong issues over it.
India is also having serious issues as well. However in recent years they've made progress.
But China? they are claiming things will be better, however they are opening up more coal fired power plants next year. So while promises are being made, actions are speaking louder.
It's a small planet and that crap ends up over here as well. That's my issue. If their people don't stand up and take issue, I feel bad for them, but for the entire globe's sake, China is going to have to wake up and smell the coffee.
Yes, so let's end all regulations on business so we can be just like them! Folks who are against regulations on business, THIS is what happens without them.
But China? they are claiming things will be better, however they are opening up more coal fired power plants next year. So while promises are being made, actions are speaking louder.
It's the only domestic supply of fuel they have that can meet their energy needs. In addition to their industrial needs by my rough calculations they are burning as much coal as we do for residential heating by itself.
Newer plants assuming they have modern pollution controls will actually be beneficial if they are replacing older ones.
Major Chinese cities have had severe pollution issues before. This is nothing new. This "emergency" that is being reported in China, well, I will tell you this. The levels of air pollution being tolerated daily in Chinese cities would literally constitute an emergency in the USA. This should let you know what kind of air is being breathed in many cities. Air pollution has been quite bad in China for quite some time. People have died in large numbers from the air pollution.
Major Chinese cities have had severe pollution issues before. This is nothing new. This "emergency" that is being reported in China, well, I will tell you this. The levels of air pollution being tolerated daily in Chinese cities would literally constitute an emergency in the USA. This should let you know what kind of air is being breathed in many cities. Air pollution has been quite bad in China for quite some time. People have died in large numbers from the air pollution.
What is more disturbing is that it took things getting this bad for China to act.
Very true. I was in China 10 years ago....I had no idea. I was amazed at how much fog there was all the time. Then one day I realized.....wait...thats no fog.
Its not that I was stupid, its just that growing up here in Oregon I could not imagine anyone living in pollution that bad. My mind went...could that be pollution?....No no human being would ever knowingly let it get this bad....must be fog.
Very true. I was in China 10 years ago....I had no idea. I was amazed at how much fog there was all the time. Then one day I realized.....wait...thats no fog.
Its not that I was stupid, its just that growing up here in Oregon I could not imagine anyone living in pollution that bad. My mind went...could that be pollution?....No no human being would ever knowingly let it get this bad....must be fog.
So its been this way for a long time.
I was in Hong Kong 20 years ago and it was pretty bad then. No pollution controls whatsoever on buses and trucks.
Yes, so let's end all regulations on business so we can be just like them! Folks who are against regulations on business, THIS is what happens without them.
Do you know what happens when we put excessive regulations on manufacturing, and China doesn't ?
All manufacturing moves to China.
There they produce the same amount of goods they did in the US, but with a much higher amount of pollution.
So in the end, we get more pollution and less jobs.
The answer is not to place even more regulations on US companies while letting China slide. The answer is to place tariffs on Chinese products unless they lower their pollution levels. And gradually increase regulations in the US while increasing pollution restrictions on Chinese goods.
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