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Old 02-17-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The technology is there, but they have the"rights" and they do not want to share. Kinda Pizzi as they got their wealth from our grants etc. but in general, many media companies are being less and less willing to share info, even with a court order. Many phones also not made the same, an Apple i6 may be different in US - than say Japan . The war is in the cyberworld and if they unwilling to help, what can I tell you? Un-American? They probably not owned by us anyhow. And that is important! Many security components to our nation end are owned by foreign companies.
They make the bulk of their money selling iPhones here. With privileges come responsibilities. The shirking of responsibility reminds me of Marx's old adage that capitalists would sell socialists the rope to hang us.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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The sheer volume of posters that obviously have not read the story yet have a very strong opinion on the subject is astonishing. Maybe it shouldn't be.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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No court should be able to force a private entity to be a police force. That is essentially what is happening here. the issue is that Apple does not have any way to hack into its own phones. It simply deletes phone content, replaces a chip, and remarkets phones that come back. they have no desire to be able to hack into phones.

The FBI can not get into the phone. You know what, that is on them. The police investigate crimes. People or businesses do not. Apple has always given the FBI any data they have and keep in their business. Every single time they get a court order for data, they give it. What they will not do is design a way to break into a phone they need to stay secure to stay in business. If the FBI wants to do it, let them do it. It is not the duty of any citizen, business or human, to help the FBI.
This was my thought. This court order in essence makes Apple an unwilling branch of law enforcement.
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Old 02-17-2016, 04:53 PM
 
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I've never been a fan of Apple, but now I wholeheartedly agree with and support them in their stance.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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As WeHa points out, the technology does not exist at this point and the FBI is asking Apple to create it. If they do so, they've set a precedence they do not want to set, and with good reason.

This is not Apple's problem. The FBI will have to figure this out on their own.

El Nox, you do bring up an interesting point. You'd think the FBI would be more sophisticated, but perhaps they aren't and should start with the CIA instead of going to Apple.
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We pay billions of dollars for defense and we need to ask Apple to create a way to hack the i-phone? I find it hard to believe that we have no Intelligence agency who can do this all on their own.
Not even considering the element of privacy concerns, the above items are the crux of the matter- Apple does not have a 'key' to unlock, which means that they would need to pay programmers/hackers to break the encryption. If *Apple* had/has the ability to employ personnel who could break the encryption, then the FBI/NSA/whatever has the same ability to employ personnel with the same skills...PLUS, they would be able to utilize the resources of super-computing power available to various government agencies, and they would stand a much *greater* chance of breaking the encryption by doing so.

If the US government, with all of its vast resources, does not have the ability/power to crack the encryption....by what stretch of idiocy do they think Apple can do what they cannot? It is completely retarded.

The only possible motive I can see to attempt to enforce this order, is that they (the gov) do not believe that Apple does not have the keys, and they want to force Apple to open their files to reveal to them everything that they have, so that they can find out if Apple is telling the truth or not...basically a 'fishing' expedition.

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However, it would be useless, because even if they succeeded in forcing Apple to give up information, AND even if they were successful in cracking it, there ALREADY exist alternative encryption schemes that are in the public domain and freely available, with keys so long that it would take years for even massive amounts of supercomputing power to crack them.

It's a lost cause, and some folks at DoJ need to have plexiglass installed in their bellies, so that they can see where they are going while their heads are planted so deeply in their butts.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Places you dream of
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Everybody agrees with all the freedoms and rights to deny until some horrific thing happens to your loved ones. I do not think they will get that key/ Apple will win out.and the latest was no we don't have/ but no you can't force us.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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LE's all over the country have asked Apple to unlock iPhones even when the perpetrators pled guilty.


It's more thank just getting into this guys work phone folks.

Apple faces multiple court cases over iPhone password security
In the Brooklyn case, Orenetein has deferred a final ruling pending more information about whether complying with the government's assistance request would prove overly "burdensome" for Apple. The company said in a October court filing it "would be impossible" for it to extract unencrypted user data from any device running on Apple's iOS8 operating system or higher equivalents.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:29 PM
 
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They should unlock it.. Get over it, this is a National Security issue.
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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They should unlock it.. Get over it, this is a National Security issue.
You clearly missed the points of the original article
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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You clearly missed the points of the original article
I get it, but you dont..Apple is simply obstructing justice. And the Feds should make it painful, like they would to an ordinary citizen.
I dont care if the apple product is able to be hacked, as it can regardless of what Apple says.. Lets not be naive.
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