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Old 02-17-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Does no one read the article anymore?

The FBI wants a "key" to "unlock" an iPhone, that "key" does not exist. They are asking for Apple to make them a "key" that doesn't exist.

Requiring them to do this is a slippery slope I'm not going down. If the FBI can force a company to make something they don't want to make, that's way too much government intrusion.
^^^^EXACTLY^^^^

Not to mention the government has such a stellar record of use/protection of other "keys" they've been given not to mention their STELLAR record at retaining/protecting even the most basic of sensitive data like a federal employee list that contains most everything needed to steal identities.

Hey, maybe they can find what they want on Hillary's server?

If no key exists then nobody public or private can be corrupted to give access nor can it be stolen,lost,misplaced or sent across an unsecured email server.

Imagine, encryption that actually works for a change...
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Its not about small government, its about obstructing justice. We, the USA, need to know who the hell this persons phone was in contact with. Follow the evidence. Get over the security of the iphone customer, that is just BS>
The NSA, CIA, FBI etc are here to do a job, and some liberal minded people cant see why this has nothing to do with unlocking phone, personal security etc. Its about tracking down a terrorist organization with the encrypted data right in front of their face, and some smug CEO says no, to get points with his customers.
How would you feel if the same feds you are so enamored with decide YOU have something they want (even though you don't) and decide to boot down YOUR door and then force you at gunpoint to manufacture said item?
It's okay though, they'll just say it's in the name of national security so it's all good right?

Just because some government agency has "a job to do" does not mean all citizens rights are suspended or to be ignored by said agencies.
Unless of course a Big Brother society is exactly what you're arguing for?
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Old 02-17-2016, 06:43 PM
 
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Yes, they do know a lot more than any of us thinks, because over the past fifteen years we've had our civil liberties slowly eroded.

They know where terrorist cells are here and have done nothing about them. They know where there are training camps here and have done nothing about those. They do not need to do what they're doing and it's not the responsibility of a corporation to try and help any government agency usurp the rights of its citizens.

The FBI and CIA have so much technology it's frightening. I doubt they need the help of some tech head working on phones.

Personally, I think this is a tactic meant to set a precedent for the future.
Couldn't agree more. Honestly if our combined technical skills of our military, FBI, CIA etc... can't create this "key" that only apple can make, we've got bigger security problems than a dead guys phone info.

But this is a sympathetic case because terrorism is a powerful motivator. I don't for one second think is ONLY about this one phone and this one case.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Couldn't agree more. Honestly if our combined technical skills of our military, FBI, CIA etc... can't create this "key" that only apple can make, we've got bigger security problems than a dead guys phone info.

But this is a sympathetic case because terrorism is a powerful motivator. I don't for one second think is ONLY about this one phone and this one case.

Many reporters and journalists now solely share information through encrypted systems. Not that the news they report is always transparent, but can you imagine how the ability to get into an encrypted system would really change what they do?

While I think the Director of the FBI, James Comey, probably has a good moral compass, I don't trust the majority of those running our government.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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they should offer up 10 million dollars to one of the programmers while he's out at the picnic tables on break having his smoke
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Easy resolution to the problem, which would protect Apple proprietary secrets. Have an FBI agent bring the phone to Apple. Let Apple employees break the codes necessary to get all information from the phone. Let FBI agent watch [from a distance] that phone is being investigated. Print out all information from phone. Return phone integrity to original design. Give phone and print out to FBI agent. Problem solved and the FBI doesn't get to know how phone codes work.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:08 PM
 
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In the end, Apple will likely lose this battle, like it or not. The FBI can easily get a court order done. Of course if and when that happens, expect floodgates to hell to open and Apple will take a big hit in the process. They will probably lose customers too. FBI should have left well enough alone, but what other way could they have gotten to the bottom of the situation regarding the San Bernardino shooting.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I view this as law enforcement/ government overreach, but then again I still think we have a right to privacy.

If the investigators can't get into the iPhone and Apple can't get into the iPhone, then too bad. If this was 50 years ago, they would have burned the documents. No one could have recovered them in that case either.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Easy resolution to the problem, which would protect Apple proprietary secrets. Have an FBI agent bring the phone to Apple. Let Apple employees break the codes necessary to get all information from the phone. Let FBI agent watch [from a distance] that phone is being investigated. Print out all information from phone. Return phone integrity to original design. Give phone and print out to FBI agent. Problem solved and the FBI doesn't get to know how phone codes work.
Wartrace suggested this on page one. There are too many problems with doing this as mentioned throughout the thread, so Kudos to Tim Cook for saying no.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:43 PM
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain how apple can be forced to make something that doesn't exist, something they've never made before.

I guess we could just pad lock the building and start killing hostages until they this "key" the FBI wants.
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