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Old 02-17-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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I have to say I'm siding with Apple, terrorists or no.

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Old 02-17-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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I think Apple should unlock the phone FOR the FBI at an Apple facility. The phones owner is dead. The phones owner committed a terrorist act. The Phone may have clues to others involved.

Notice how I did NOT say Apple should give the FBI the code to crack the phone. Giving the code would have serious privacy issues. Taking the phone and giving the FBI access to that particular phone needs to be done.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I am cursed with the ability to understand both sides of a situation.

I understand the government's urgency to get information from that phone.

I also understand Apple's reluctance to open the phone up.

Here are the facts I have heard so far for Apple's refusal:

They currently have no software to do what the FBI wants.
They don't want to create that software because it will get out eventually and everyone's phones will be hackable.
Citizen's rights to privacy.

I'm not really sure Apple is telling the truth, though, about not having the program to unlock the phone...

On the FBI's side:

The information could stop a terrorist attack and save lives.
Terrorists presently unknown to the FBI could be captured.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:28 PM
 
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I saw this in today's rag. Here comes a conspiracy theory ... ready ... wait for it ... this is eyewash. Am I to believe that the FBI is incapable of breaking an encrypted cell phone code? Too late for the pants legs, call a boat. This is intended for the muzzie's to drop their guard. It's also cover for them to make up another reason to track the names/numbers they got off the assassin's phone. I believe this story ... NOT.


One man's opinion.


El Nox
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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I saw this in today's rag. Here comes a conspiracy theory ... ready ... wait for it ... this is eyewash. Am I to believe that the FBI is incapable of breaking an encrypted cell phone code? Too late for the pants legs, call a boat. This is intended for the muzzie's to drop their guard. It's also cover for them to make up another reason to track the names/numbers they got off the assassin's phone. I believe this story ... NOT.


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El Nox
What exactly are you saying in the bolded, I think you might have went over my head a little.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:32 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I think that if I ignored a Court order my ass would end up locked up for contempt of Court.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:33 PM
 
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I am cursed with the ability to understand both sides of a situation.

I understand the government's urgency to get information from that phone.

I also understand Apple's reluctance to open the phone up.

Here are the facts I have heard so far for Apple's refusal:

They currently have no software to do what the FBI wants.
They don't want to create that software because it will get out eventually and everyone's phones will be hackable.
Citizen's rights to privacy.

I'm not really sure Apple is telling the truth, though, about not having the program to unlock the phone...

On the FBI's side:

The information could stop a terrorist attack and save lives.
Terrorists presently unknown to the FBI could be captured.
I can see all of these points, this is a hard one to pick sides. The suggestion Wartrace gave might be a good option, but it 1, sets a precedent for future cases, and 2, requires Apple to admit they can in fact get into encrypted devices, which they have claimed they can't do.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:34 PM
 
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What exactly are you saying in the bolded, I think you might have went over my head a little.
You're not the only one
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:36 PM
 
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I think Apple should unlock the phone FOR the FBI at an Apple facility. The phones owner is dead. The phones owner committed a terrorist act. The Phone may have clues to others involved.

Notice how I did NOT say Apple should give the FBI the code to crack the phone. Giving the code would have serious privacy issues. Taking the phone and giving the FBI access to that particular phone needs to be done.
I agree with you completely. I really don't think Apple has a choice whether to do it or not as a judge ordered it. I do not think they should GIVE the FBI anything.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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I agree with you completely. I really don't think Apple has a choice whether to do it or not as a judge ordered it. I do not think they should GIVE the FBI anything.
A quote from the above linked article

"The FBI obtained an order from a California district court asking Apple for assistance cracking Farook’s passcode. The court order doesn’t flat-out demand that Apple unlock the phone"
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