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Old 05-16-2016, 03:35 PM
 
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They say she was sitting on the rail with her back to the water. I guess she got dizzy and fell over.


Rest in peace.
If true, it's incredibly stupid to sit on the railing of a cruise ship. Especially at night when it's so much harder to locate a person who has fallen overboard.

You can't fix stupid. There will always be that person or two out there...
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Someone asked how high the railings were...we've been on a pretty good amount of cruises over the past 11 years, most were balcony cabins. The railing comes up to about mid-chest/just below shoulders on me (I'm 5'5"). It is not easy to "fall" overboard. It takes effort. Based on the video - yes she was sitting backwards on the railing. Why is anyone's guess. I feel horrible for her family but it's not the fault of the cruiseline. I hate these stories. It's sad enough that someone died but people automatically want to place blame somewhere...ultimately, it was bad choices of the individual that led to this.
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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those ships should all have some kind of netting to prevent such tragedies..they certainly have enough money to do so..corporate greed will prevent that though..
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Old 05-16-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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The overwhelmingly vast majority of cruisers do not require safety netting in order to stay alive while at sea. In addition to obstructing views, they could create a huge hazard for sea birds. Darwin's law dictates that a small percentage of human beings will defy all odds and find a way to end their lives prematurely. I do not think this can be helped, nor do I think that we can try much harder than we already do through nannyism to stop people from doing dumb things that sometimes have terrible consequences. It is not an issue of greed. It's an issue of stupidity.
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Old 05-16-2016, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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If true, it's incredibly stupid to sit on the railing of a cruise ship. Especially at night when it's so much harder to locate a person who has fallen overboard.

You can't fix stupid. There will always be that person or two out there...
EXACTLY!
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Old 05-16-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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What a way to die...bobbing about treading water with no land in sight for a thousand miles....horrific...that is right up there with being buried alive.
If it makes you feel any better, she likely didn't survive what amounted to a more than 10 story fall onto what from that height would be like falling onto concrete. It's the same thing as when people jump off high bridges - they usually die from the impact and not drowning.

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Old 05-16-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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Never been on a cruise, and I never plan on taking one. There's always the chance of this type of thing happening (going overboard, possibly accidentally) and I have also heard of numerous cases of people on cruises being severely affected by food poisoning.

Sure, food poisoning can happen elsewhere, but I'd be a lot more confident in food that's been freshly prepared than food that's been on a cruise ship for days on end (unless it's been securely frozen on the ship)...
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Old 05-16-2016, 04:30 PM
 
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Actually, most cruise lines have depots at their ports where fresh supplies are brought onboard, so there's a constant re-supply of food coming onboard. I just cruised with Carnival (out of Galveston on the Freedom) in February on a seven-day itinerary and was very pleased with the quality and cleanliness of everything. I didn't see much bad behavior at all, either. Considering the sheer number of people on cruise ships every week, I think incidents are pretty few and far between.
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Old 05-16-2016, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Out West
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Given your apparently detailed knowledge of Carnival's clientele, I'm going to guess the line whose ships have those pointy red funnels.
Nope. Never worked for Carnival, we just mocked them...even though they owned us.

I will give you a hint: It was similar to Holland.
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Old 05-16-2016, 04:39 PM
 
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Never been on a cruise, and I never plan on taking one. There's always the chance of this type of thing happening (going overboard, possibly accidentally) and I have also heard of numerous cases of people on cruises being severely affected by food poisoning.

Sure, food poisoning can happen elsewhere, but I'd be a lot more confident in food that's been freshly prepared than food that's been on a cruise ship for days on end (unless it's been securely frozen on the ship)...
Usually the culprit is norovirus which can be spread through food but also from contact with any infected surface. The issue is primarily due to infected people not washing their hands before dealing with food or anything else after using the bathroom, and it is spread through vomit as well. The virus is nasty and can actually be spread via aerosolized vomit particles (I know, gross) so bathrooms or anywhere else where someone can or will throw up in public are easy contaminants. Norovirus is rampant in hospitals, nursing homes, schools, etc but you hear about it most often on cruises because the captains have to report epidemics to the CDC when only a small number of people are reporting being sick (2%). There are stricter rules regarding reporting norovirus on ships but in reality the rate of infection and incidence is low/normal. Norovirus is often responsible for a lot of stomach bugs especially in the winter months, it's not just a cruise thing. Also regarding cruises, many have buffet options for meals which makes spreading the virus easier because everyone is touching the utensils. Often in outbreaks the staff will serve passengers or close buffets all together. From what I hear and experiences I've read crews handle norovirus outbreaks pretty well.

There is nothing wrong with food on cruise ships. If I were to guess the issue and cause for initial outbreaks often is the passengers. Many people are unhygienic and don't wash their hands. It's likely they bring it onto the ship from an outside source in the first place, and once on the ship it's very easy to spread because the virus is highly contagious and virulent. Once on the ship for one trip, it's very hard to kill and very easy to spread and lasts for a while on surfaces so it can reappear in the very next voyage. Ships run on tight schedules and you can't exactly take a full day for cleaning between voyages without pissing off a lot of people.

I've been on two Royal Caribbean cruises and as far as I know, no norovirus or any other issues, including people falling overboard, on either. The experiences were actually pretty great. However, I am aware bad experiences and incidents do happen. I just think you tend to hear about the bad far more often than the good or the uneventful (obviously). Think of how many cruises there are on the oceans right now. All the lines and voyages and different ships.
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