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Old 05-19-2016, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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I don't know why this is so hard for some to understand.


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Old 05-20-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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I don't know why this is so hard for some to understand.


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Because, the NPS states, "Our goal is to maintain the ecological processes of Yellowstone". Which ecological process of Yellowstone is humans killing wildlife?
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Old 05-21-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The NPS folks did exactly the right thing. You see a cute baby animal die and freak out and start accusing people of not "trying to save it".

Do you suggest they do the same with every baby animal in the wild that's been rejected by its herd? Do you know about brucellosis? Quarantines? The fact that bison are considered far too dangerous to keep as pets or captive animals? Would you rather they left the thing to get hit by a car or injure a person? Even if the facilities existed or the $$ was there to keep it in quarantine and keep it alive long enough to go to a "rescue" It would never survive in the wild after being had-raised and bison are huge, dangerous animals that aren't suited to captivity. They get sick, they die, or they end up hurting themselves or the misguided humans who think everything furry just needs love and food.

They likely would have left it to starve or be killed by predators (which is what happens 100% of the time when a baby bison is rejected by the herd) if it hadn't imprinted on humans and already started exhibiting dangerous behavior, but that's the fault of the idiots who put it in their car, not the Rangers who devote their WHOLE LIVES to the parks and the preservation of these animals.

I've spent a huge amount of time in our parks, studying the animals and the natural ecosystems, as an earth scientist and an outdoor enthusiast who comes from a long line of Rangers and forest service, and it pains me to read these armchair "I know better than the experts" comments coming from so many people. You don't. Respect their knowledge, experience, and decision-making. Stick to whatever it is you know about and let these deeply devoted folks do what they know.
Excellent post.
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Old 05-22-2016, 05:55 AM
 
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I don't know why this is so hard for some to understand.


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You'd think they massacred an entire herd. It was just one calf and they were humane. They could have just let it continue to roam until it starved or was killed. They are not a zoo nor are they responsible for providing animals to zoos or farms.
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Old 05-22-2016, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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I don't know why this is so hard for some to understand.

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Of those in the public, who has a biology degree (to say nothing about how those who go after such degrees are viewed these days)?

One of the things I try to get across to underwater visitors is not to tease pufferfish to blow up. To a tourist, it is "fun" to see such a display. One has to understand, though, that the fish is not an actor, is not showing off to the passerbys. He's scared to death and this is defensive reaction, a reaction that will exhaust him.

Curiously enough, I learned that last item as a child......reading it in a Ranger Rick magazine.....but who reads such stuff today?

Long story short, it appears that unless one is actually working in a field, has studied extensively in a field, they are not likely to know the reality of this or that field.

What they know of this or that field, if they are not in it, will come from TV.......and we know that TV is often wrong.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Okay, so the herd rejected the baby, but I don't understand why the Rangers did not follow their own protocol and just leave the baby and let nature take its course.

A family of bears, mountain lions, wolves etc missed a meal in lieu of euthanasia?

A family of eagles, hawks, buzzards ravens missed out on picking his bones. Several insect families missed out on decomposing, and the earth missed out on becoming richer soil through a natural process.

I'm not criticizing, just questioning why they wouldn't proceed following their established protocol, especially if they are citing that protocol as a reason for un-naturally killing the calf.

In the end, its no big deal. Tourists need to mind their business, and leave other creatures babies alone.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Okay, so the herd rejected the baby, but I don't understand why the Rangers did not follow their own protocol and just leave the baby and let nature take its course.

I'm not criticizing, just questioning why they wouldn't proceed following their established protocol, especially if they are citing that protocol as a reason for un-naturally killing the calf.
The calf started hanging around by the roadside and approaching cars. This could have lead to an auto accident, or to another clueless tourist being accidentally injured by the calf.

If the calf had wandered off after the herd instead of hanging around the roadside, the rangers would have let it be.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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The calf started hanging around by the roadside and approaching cars. This could have lead to an auto accident, or to another clueless tourist being accidentally injured by the calf.

If the calf had wandered off after the herd instead of hanging around the roadside, the rangers would have let it be.

Makes sense. Thanks for the feasible explanation.
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Old 05-22-2016, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Okay, so the herd rejected the baby, but I don't understand why the Rangers did not follow their own protocol and just leave the baby and let nature take its course.

A family of bears, mountain lions, wolves etc missed a meal in lieu of euthanasia?

A family of eagles, hawks, buzzards ravens missed out on picking his bones. Several insect families missed out on decomposing, and the earth missed out on becoming richer soil through a natural process.

I'm not criticizing, just questioning why they wouldn't proceed following their established protocol, especially if they are citing that protocol as a reason for un-naturally killing the calf.

In the end, its no big deal. Tourists need to mind their business, and leave other creatures babies alone.
Very wise post.

The park service is inconsistent nowadays. And of course, we can all thank them for the controlled burns they have set on windy days that then get out of control.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:49 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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The park service is inconsistent nowadays. And of course, we can all thank them for the controlled burns they have set on windy days that then get out of control.
It was the absence of those burns that turned minor fires into wildfires. Also certain tree cones don't burst without burning.
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