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Old 05-17-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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A tame, domesticated bison would be about the worst 'spokesperson' possible for NPS, and would send exactly the wrong message. The NPS is all about wild lands and wild life, not about parading tame animals around.

Secondly, it sounds like the animal was returned to it's heard and rejected after it was brought to the rangers. I am guessing here, but it was likely rejected from the heard even before it was picked up, otherwise it would not have been a simple matter of tossing it into the back of your SUV.
Oh gosh Grouch, lighten up.
Smokey the bear:

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV...nanOAPcSidPxk-
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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Why? The animal was going to die anyway, in stead of letting it starve they euthanized it humanely. Part of being a good steward of the land is realizing animals suffer and die and it just another part of the cycle of life.
You are so heartless! Some animal lover could have adopted it, named it "Bissy", cuddled & bottle fed it all while keeping it in a warm bed made of fluffy feathers.....................


until it became 1400 lbs.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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And there is no way on earth the park service would do this now. The National Parks are not petting zoos (although plenty of tourons don't seem to understand this).

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Oh gosh Grouch, lighten up.
Smokey the bear:

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV...nanOAPcSidPxk-
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:34 PM
 
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You are so heartless! Some animal lover could have adopted it, named it "Bissy", cuddled & bottle fed it all while keeping it in a warm bed made of fluffy feathers.....................


until it became 1400 lbs.
Then they could sell it on Craigslist for $6000!
Woman Selling House-Trained Bison on Craigslist for $5,950 Calls It 'A Gigantic Puppy' - Inside Edition
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by OscarTheGrouch View Post
A tame, domesticated bison would be about the worst 'spokesperson' possible for NPS, and would send exactly the wrong message. The NPS is all about wild lands and wild life, not about parading tame animals around.

Secondly, it sounds like the animal was returned to it's heard and rejected after it was brought to the rangers. I am guessing here, but it was likely rejected from the heard even before it was picked up, otherwise it would not have been a simple matter of tossing it into the back of your SUV.
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Oh gosh Grouch, lighten up.
Smokey the bear:

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV...nanOAPcSidPxk-
I agree with Oscar.

Several points:

1) Smokey Bear was a creation of the United States Forest Service (Department of Agriculture), which has as a primary responsibility of overseeing tree farms for the profit of the logging industry. Wildlife is a secondary concern for them. The USFS has nothing to do with the National Park Service (Department of the Interior).

2) Smokey Bear hails from an era in which feeding bears junk food was sanctioned by the NPS, as was the elimination of wolves as 'pests'. It's a relic of an era that we do not need to emulate.

3) To repeat, the NPS is not an animal-rescue agency. It concerns itself with species, not individual animals.

4) Hundreds of bison calves will die this year in the Yellowstone ecosystem because that's what happens every year. This one had the most painless, peaceful demise of all of them.

5) This is related to my frustration with people regarding pets abandoned at animal shelters - the "No, don't ever put them down!" crowd. If fewer limited funds were spent on warehousing animals instead of humanely putting them down, there'd be more funds to make lives of those animals that don't need warehousing better. I go to shelters and see the miserable old animals that languish for their 30 days, unhappy in a steel care, before they're suffering is mercifully ended finally, when it should have been ended immediately. And why do they languish? Not for their sake but to make feel better those people who want them to have 'a chance' at adoption, not matter how small that chance and no matter how much languishing must be done in total for those few old unappealing animals that do occasionally get adopted.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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It doesnt need months of quarantine.
Yes, it does. Here's the relevant document:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_he...ovine_bruc.pdf

And for those of you who understandably don't want to read through pages of government regulations, here's a quotation of the relevant paragraphs:

"2. Sexually immature bison (under 3 years of age)

a. Immature males—
Male bison under 3 years of age must
pass a minimum of three consecutive ITG tests. The
first ITG test must be conducted when the ITG starts
the quarantine period, and the last consecutive
negative ITG test must be conducted after the animals
are at least 3 years of age. The second ITG test will
be conducted at least 180 days after the first ITG
test. There must be at least 12 months between the
first and last consecutive negative ITG tests.

b. Immature females—
Immature female bison under 3 years of
age not born in the facility and continually penned
within a test-negative ITG must be bred to a test-
negative male from a holding pen or ITG, complete a
gestation cycle, calve, and pass a minimum of three
consecutive negative ITG tests.
The first ITG test must be conducted when the ITG
starts the quarantine period before being bred. The
second ITG test must be conducted at least 30 days and
not more than 90 days after each female has calved, and
the third ITG test must be conducted 6 months after the
last animal has calved in the ITG.
Each postparturient female bison must have discharges,
fluids, and swabs collected and cultured within 5 days
after calving. There must be at least 12 months
between the first and last consecutive negative ITG
tests.

3. Calves—
Calves born in the ABQF from a test- and/or
culture-negative ITG of adult pregnant females may be
released from quarantine at 6 months of age or older
provided that all of the following conditions are met:
(1) there have been no reactor animals in the ITG
immediately after their birth or within 1 month prior to
their birth, (2) all calves in the ITG are serologically
test negative, (3) each adult in the ITG is serologically
test negative at least 30 days postcalving and culturally
test negative within 5 days postcalving, and (4) the adult
animals in the ITG have tested negative on three
consecutive herd tests over a 12-month period. For calves
born to females that were pregnant at the time of entrance
into the ABQF and/or calves born during a time in which
reactors are disclosed, the male calves would be
classified as “immature males” and be tested as in 2(a)
above, the females would be classified as “immature
females” and be tested as in 2(b) above, or the calves
could be neutered and released from quarantine without
restrictions."

Since the Yellowstone herd is known to carry Brucellosis, the calf would be looking at a minimum of six months in quarantine (and that's assuming it was promptly neutered - keep it sexually intact, and the quarantine period goes up).
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I agree but in this case the animal was brought to them. They had it in their hands, why not just "adopt it out" instead of taking it back out just to die. It wouldn't have cost them anything. It might have made a good story and way to raise more awareness about leaving the wild animals alone. Heck that little bison could have had a lucrative career as a "spokesperson" or "poster child" for the Park Service educational campaign about not bothering the wildlife. Commercials, book deals, maybe even a movie! Bigger than Yogi Bear.
I like it...fantastic idea. They could dress it in a ranger's hat and put pants on it.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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You are so heartless! Some animal lover could have adopted it, named it "Bissy", cuddled & bottle fed it all while keeping it in a warm bed made of fluffy feathers.....................


until it became 1400 lbs.
And God help them if the animal was male, and they bottle-fed it without knowing what they were doing: https://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/ap...0dangerous.pdf

All around BAD idea!
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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I agree with Oscar.

Several points:

1) Smokey Bear was a creation of the United States Forest Service (Department of Agriculture), which has as a primary responsibility of overseeing tree farms for the profit of the logging industry. Wildlife is a secondary concern for them. The USFS has nothing to do with the National Park Service (Department of the Interior).

2) Smokey Bear hails from an era in which feeding bears junk food was sanctioned by the NPS, as was the elimination of wolves as 'pests'. It's a relic of an era that we do not need to emulate.

3) To repeat, the NPS is not an animal-rescue agency. It concerns itself with species, not individual animals.

4) Hundreds of bison calves will die this year in the Yellowstone ecosystem because that's what happens every year. This one had the most painless, peaceful demise of all of them.

5) This is related to my frustration with people regarding pets abandoned at animal shelters - the "No, don't ever put them down!" crowd. If fewer limited funds were spent on warehousing animals instead of humanely putting them down, there'd be more funds to make lives of those animals that don't need warehousing better. I go to shelters and see the miserable old animals that languish for their 30 days, unhappy in a steel care, before they're suffering is mercifully ended finally, when it should have been ended immediately. And why do they languish? Not for their sake but to make feel better those people who want them to have 'a chance' at adoption, not matter how small that chance and no matter how much languishing must be done in total for those few old unappealing animals that do occasionally get adopted.

careful, my friend
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Old 05-17-2016, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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And there is no way on earth the park service would do this now. The National Parks are not petting zoos (although plenty of tourons don't seem to understand this).
This is just for sake of argument and my suggestion was in jest but,
Why is there no way on earth?

No one said the National Parks were petting zoos. In the same light are they executioners? When a human is attacked by an animal in a park, due to human stupidity usually, they track it down and kill it. Why not just let nature take it course.

As well we often find abandon babies. Someone takes it out of the dumpster and brings it to the police station. Once they have the baby in hand should they put it back, see if the mother comes back and if not euthanize it. They are not an adoption agency. Humans are not endangered.
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