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Old 05-20-2016, 02:56 AM
 
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Yes, she got off too easy. Poisoning and drowning your own children? This took a thought process to carry out. Seriously? She should never be let into the general population again. They all claim to have something undiagnosed anymore. Maybe she'll end up as someone's babysitter and we'll learn when she kills those children whether or not she had postpartum depression or is just a social deviant that doesn't deserve to be in this world.

I get so sick of people doing horrible things like this and expecting a pity party. They need to sterilize these nut cases!
But...But...But....She was depressed due to having children! She just had a hormone imbalance...she...please understand!!!!

You know, I may get flack for this but for all the talk women do about how women shouldn't be judged for their emotions, their feelings, their period, etc. etc. it truly amazes me how often they use it as an excuse for horrid, abhorrent behavior. Did you know a woman being on her period has been successfully used as an excuse for her bad behavior??

And WHY was it considered so wrong to lock women up way back in the day for hysteria????
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Old 05-20-2016, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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But...But...But....She was depressed due to having children! She just had a hormone imbalance...she...please understand!!!!

You know, I may get flack for this but for all the talk women do about how women shouldn't be judged for their emotions, their feelings, their period, etc. etc. it truly amazes me how often they use it as an excuse for horrid, abhorrent behavior. Did you know a woman being on her period has been successfully used as an excuse for her bad behavior??

And WHY was it considered so wrong to lock women up way back in the day for hysteria????
They locked women up for being flirtatious back then...you know... leading men astray....would be funny if not so sad.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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But...But...But....She was depressed due to having children! She just had a hormone imbalance...she...please understand!!!!

You know, I may get flack for this but for all the talk women do about how women shouldn't be judged for their emotions, their feelings, their period, etc. etc. it truly amazes me how often they use it as an excuse for horrid, abhorrent behavior. Did you know a woman being on her period has been successfully used as an excuse for her bad behavior??

And WHY was it considered so wrong to lock women up way back in the day for hysteria????
Oh well, she brought those kids into this world, and maybe she decided it was time to take them out!!!
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Many years ago, I attended a briefing on Andrea Yates, psychology wise. That state of mind was such a mess and her being a woman and a mother wasn't the only influence in that situation. It's a pity that the father was not up on charges.

The thing is that with these news stories, we get such a small slice of what happened and nothing in the way of what might have driven them to such an extreme......or might not have.

Without more information, it is really impossible to say whether the sentence was light or not.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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Did you miss the concurrent part? Two eight year sentences served concurrently equals eight years, 50% of eight is 4 years. You can call it whatever you want, when a person intentionally kills people that is murder and some BS about being depressed should not be a valid excuse. I only hope that someone in prison hands out the appropriate punishment for killing two kids in cold blood. If I was the father, she would already be taking a long dirt nap.
And there is every problem in America summed up in one post. More violence is NEVER the answer. Vigilantism is a worse crime than what she did.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: New Yawk
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Can someone explain to me what is PPD and why do some women get it? It seems to run counter to the most basic instinct we have, which is survival of the species. Is this some kind of First World problem? Maybe women in more primitive societies work so hard they don't have time to notice a hormonal imbalance.

As for the sentence... smack my head. She should not be allowed back into society after what she's done. Can you imagine her living next door to your children?
I do believe our culture helps exacerbate it, because new mothers often don't have the help and support that other cultures do, with extended family members coming to stay and help for the first few months. Women either have to go back to work mere weeks after giving birth, or have to get back right back into running the household alone all day, all while still physically and emotionally healing and getting by on very little sleep.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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I would rather she be institutionalized in a psychiatric ward if it was true mental illness. Post-partum symptoms can be severe, but that's beyond extreme. Remember that Andrea Yates also had a long and documented history of fairly severe mental illness on top of her post-partum issues and was actually hallucinating that her kids needed to be killed to be saved. Frankly, I thought her husband was partially to blame.

I haven't read enough about this case, but if the woman in this case was truly insane, shouldn't she be getting intensive treatment? From what I understand people spend more time in custody when they are found not guilty by reason of insanity than if they're found competent and guilty.

But post-partum psychosis doesn't work for me as an explanation for this. Suicide? Sure. I get that. In this case, two kids are dead and mom is claiming what amounts to temporary insanity. Two 8-year concurrent sentences is not enough. When you kill yourself, it's a tragedy. When you kill your children and then try to kill yourself, there's a side helping of narcissism and selfishness to your actions that can't be excused.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:49 AM
 
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I think its 16 years total, 8 for each. I've heard of lesser sentences for equally awful things. And I have heard of worse for less. Not surprised anymore.

If she was suffering from postpartum, I can't see how she will ever forgive herself. In prison, out of prison, I doubt she'll have a great life. I would have to be locked up if I found out I killed my own kids. Very sad for both families involved.
The article said the judge ruled that the two counts would be served concurrently, meaning at the same time. That's 8 years, not 16.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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Many years ago, I attended a briefing on Andrea Yates, psychology wise. That state of mind was such a mess and her being a woman and a mother wasn't the only influence in that situation. It's a pity that the father was not up on charges.

The thing is that with these news stories, we get such a small slice of what happened and nothing in the way of what might have driven them to such an extreme......or might not have.

Without more information, it is really impossible to say whether the sentence was light or not.[/QUOTE]


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kind of thinking is why our society is such a mess today. Everyone thinks because they didn't have a good childhood, or they were poor, or grew up in a bad neighborhood, this is an excuse to murder people. There is no excuse to take someone else's life. These people know what they are doing. There is only one fair sentence when someone willfully takes the life of another person intentionally and that is death. You can't let people off with these light sentences because they were having a bad day or because they were drunk etc.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Tianjin, China
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I think she got off too harsh by the system. True post-partum psychoses is hell on earth. And you said she had that. Crippling undiagnosed postpartum psychosis. She will have to live with what she did for the rest of her life-in my viwe punishment enough. PP Psychoses is so frightening because your whole sense of reality is gone.
It doesn't matter, because this was no desperate act in the moment, but a planned act. Now if you are truly this terrible, then seek help and get someone else to take care of your kids in the meantime.

She deserved way more than 8 year in prison, and I believe the only reason she didn't get a tougher punishment is because she has connections in the court system.
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