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Old 05-20-2016, 01:11 PM
 
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If companies that offered comp time in lieu of overtime actually granted the comp time, it would be OK. But the reality is that every company I've been associated with would fire you in a heartbeat if you actually tried to take even a fraction of the comp time that you were due.
I'm not talking about the occasional hour or two, I'm talking about the people who regularly have to work 10-20 hours a week overtime or else. If the company needs 50 hours of work from you every week, when would you take the comp time?
Yeah, "salary" would be nice if it worked both ways. A company has no problem expecting you to work 50 hrs/wk when times are busy, but try putting in 30 hrs/wk when times are slow and see what happens.
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna.
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Many of us, when we enter our undergraduate years, are delighted too be free of the highly-regimented "overgrown third grade" atmosphere that characterizes almost all education in the primary and secondary years, and we sometimes get the mistaken impression that this can continue upon graduation and employment.

Unfortunately, most of us soon learn that the drudgery returns and intensifies, and that most supervision revolves around keeping any subordinates buried in a mountain of menial duties. Some simply have too much hubris to accept this, and the more foresighted of them find a way to strike out on their own (and if successful, again will probably have to do something to someone else that they hated seeing done to themselves.

I can't offer an answer to this problem; but the fact is that the increase in diversity within the workforce, and the evisceration of many manufacturing and technical roles common to a heavy-industrial economy, replacing them with empty "touchy-feely" service jobs, has led to an exponential increase in alienation among many vulnerable senior employees. Perky, bouncy (and more-encumbered) employees 'C' and 'D' have no choice to put up with personal humiliation that senior employees 'A' and 'B' won't. And the CEO's and the manipulators in middle management are grinning all the way to the bank.

People who have played by the rules deserve a minimum of dignity and employee rights, but I don't see that emerging any time soon in "Korporate Amerika".
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Old 05-20-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Most of us don't want to go back to the days when corporations and businesses were allowed to do whatever they wanted. Being a business owner doesn't guarantee you some fundamental right to cheap labor to take advantage of.
Oh, don't worry, you won't be able to go back to those days thanks to all of the governmental regulations making business startups a losing proposition for most who want to try. Simply put, no new businesses means no new jobs. For anybody.
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Old 05-20-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Oh, don't worry, you won't be able to go back to those days thanks to all of the governmental regulations making business startups a losing proposition for most who want to try. Simply put, no new businesses means no new jobs. For anybody.
Business startups are doing better in states that seem to have plenty of regulations, and not the ones that are trying to give away tax credits left and right to existing companies (*cough* Wisconsin *cough*).
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Old 05-20-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh, don't worry, you won't be able to go back to those days thanks to all of the governmental regulations making business startups a losing proposition for most who want to try. Simply put, no new businesses means no new jobs. For anybody.
Many regulations have minimum requirements like number of employees before they go in effect.
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Many regulations have minimum requirements like number of employees before they go in effect.

But this one doesn't! How it wasn't tucked in somewhere in the 503 pages of this bill no one wants to say. Too bad for the mom & pop shops. This guy says it better than I can ...

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/49021...#sp=show-clips
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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But this one doesn't! How it wasn't tucked in somewhere in the 503 pages of this bill no one wants to say. Too bad for the mom & pop shops. This guy says it better than I can ...

New OT rules hit U.S. businesses | On Air Videos | Fox Business
That doesn't even make any sense. So now workers who are regularly working over 40 hours a week "can't be part of the community" because they're eligible to make more money when they work more than 40 hours a week? Who the hell has time and energy to coach little league when they're working 50-60 hours a week while raising a family?

Here's an idea, don't want to pay overtime? Hire more workers.
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:51 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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That doesn't even make any sense. So now workers who are regularly working over 40 hours a week "can't be part of the community" because they're eligible to make more money when they work more than 40 hours a week? Who the hell has time and energy to coach little league when they're working 50-60 hours a week while raising a family?

Here's an idea, don't want to pay overtime? Hire more workers.
But the workers will be two part timers with No Benefits that a FullTimer Would get .
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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But the workers will be two part timers with No Benefits that a FullTimer Would get .
And the next rule will require the same relative benefits for part timers.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Phoenix AZ
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Oh, don't worry, you won't be able to go back to those days thanks to all of the governmental regulations making business startups a losing proposition for most who want to try. Simply put, no new businesses means no new jobs. For anybody.
Yeah, that's bull****. Once again, if your "new business model" requires the worker-bees to work 60 hr weeks for 40 hrs pay in order to turn a profit, it's not much of a business. You can get a preview of the companies that turn a profit on their employees backs by looking at the filings of flsa lawsuits (you can't see settlements, because those are almost always attached to non-disclosure agreements). They're big companies, but not "innovative" companies, just your usual crop of corporate leeches - poorly managed companies that can only sell based on price, not quality or unique/better products. Companies we really could survive without.
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