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Old 05-18-2016, 01:54 PM
 
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Regardless of how you may feel about older women--60+, even 70 years old, there is no denying that eggs must be donated (or somehow obtained) to impregnate women at this age. And if older women are now requesting and getting these fertility services, that will just increase the demand. So where will all the eggs come from?

Well, according to this, an Italian doctor obtained at least one egg from a woman who hadn't agreed to
donate. She thought she was having surgery to remove an ovarian cyst. Supposedly there is a black market for eggs and this doctor is participating in it. Almost doesn't seem possible. If he's this well-known fertility specialist, he's making tons of money as it is. Does he really need the additional money? Or is it that he can't make his money unless he has the raw materials (eggs) to work with?

But then again, he claims that the woman was counseled by a psychologist and signed papers agreeing to this. Shouldn't be that difficult to dig up these consent forms, although a psychologist could be bought who would produce such papers.

So whop do you think is telling the truth---the patient or the doctor?
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:38 PM
 
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Arrow Probably the paitent!!!!!!!!

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Old 05-19-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Probably the patient. That really is a horrible thing to do too. It just seems if there is a market for something, someone will find a way to get it, legal or not. Something for others that have "eggs" out there. I think they should be able to decide who they are donated to if they so desire. I wouldn't want a 60 year old woman to give birth to a child that I had any connection to. Seems one has some responsibility there.
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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I think you're being ovary, errrrrrr, overly sensitive about this.
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Old 05-19-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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I beleive the patient. As a medical claims examiner, I saw doctors taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from desperate women for "just one more try" at IVF when it was pretty obvious it wasn't working. But since it meant a lot of money for the doctors, they would keep trying not until there was no hope but until the money ran out.
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Old 05-19-2016, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Denver and Boston
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I stopped reading when I saw it was from The Daily Beast. Link to real news source please.

Robin Cook wrote a book about doctors stealing eggs. Can not remember the title.
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Old 05-19-2016, 05:50 PM
 
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Okay, Robert, how about these sources? Some are Associated Press. Not linking to the Italian news sources since I (and probably you) don't know Italian...

Controversial Italian fertility doctor accused of stealing patient's egg | World news | The Guardian

Controversial Italian fertility doctor accused of removing eggs without consent

Top Italian doctor suspected of stealing patient's eggs

Top Italian fertility doctor Severino Antinori arrested - BBC News

Dr. Severino Antinori arrested in Italy after woman says eggs stolen | Newsday

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016...ctor.html?_r=0
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Old 05-19-2016, 09:40 PM
 
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Hmm, I'm not convinced the doctor is a criminal. Something seems fishy to me about this:

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Italian news reports on Saturday said the 24-year-old nurse, who had gone to the clinic to explore job prospects, told investigators that in April she was forcefully held, given anesthesia and had eggs removed following a hormone treatment apparently for an ovarian cyst.
Aside from the "job prospects", "forcefully held", yet receiving "treatment"; how would she have any idea her eggs were removed? Why would she even suspect that?

And then there's this:

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Police sequestered several embryos at the clinic to determine if they were created with the woman's eggs but Italian news reports said none using her eggs had been found.
Very weird.

Women donate eggs all the time, and get paid pretty well to do it, why would a doctor forcibly steal them?
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Old 05-25-2016, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Hmm, I'm not convinced the doctor is a criminal. Something seems fishy to me about this:

Aside from the "job prospects", "forcefully held", yet receiving "treatment"; how would she have any idea her eggs were removed? Why would she even suspect that?

And then there's this:

Very weird.

Women donate eggs all the time, and get paid pretty well to do it, why would a doctor forcibly steal them?
I agree. In order to harvest eggs the donor has to undergo a pretty stiff hormone treatment, the eggs must be harvested at the right time in the cycle, and surgery is not necessary. It can be done with a needle guided by ultrasound.
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Old 05-31-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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Hormone treatments are not necessary. Some women do natural IVF, without hormones. But they can only get 1 or 2 eggs, and correct timing of egg retrieval is more important. The purpose of the hormones is to: 1. increase the number of eggs that can be retrieved in a procedure, and 2. control the timing of ovulation.

If a woman has an egg that is ripe and ready to be harvested, it would be easy for a doctor to point to the follicle on an ultrasound and tell the woman it was a cyst. That's what it looks like; a big, round, black thing on your ovary. A simple blood test would tell the doctor if it was ready to harvest. If it isn't, he could give her a shot to stimulate ovulation, and tell her the shot was to prepare her for surgery.

I didn't read the article, but it is entirely feasible that a doctor could do this. And it would not be surprising, considering how much money wealthy people are willing to pay for human eggs (especially women that would be disqualified from receiving legal eggs, like an 80-year-old).
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