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Old 05-23-2016, 08:14 AM
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Location: Houston, TX
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Perhaps he is saying this:
Climbing Everest is becoming more and more of a rich man's sport. What is required is not skill, not desire, not that inner drive...but money. It's not really a technical climb (except maybe the "Hillary step"). People pay huge money to climb, companies provide the mean, Sherpa's provide the manpower - setting up lines and ladders, camps, and hauling up the Oz. I've heard of climbers literally short-roped behind Sherpas and literally carried up. Money also drives the Sherpas - it an industry the provides jobs to the locals.
But, the unprepared climb and the unprepared die. All the money in the world won't get you down from the death zone when things go bad.
That depends on the climber. Some climbers are more skilled than others. And every mountain climber has to be in reasonably good shape at least. Otherwise they give up long before they reach Camp II.

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Sounds very much like the "trophy hunts" that people like that dentist who killed Cecil the lion take. No skill involved, just something to brag about at the end of the day.


People who undertake these extreme adventures when they have spouses and children are selfish and I don't feel a bit sorry for them when they die up there.
Judgmental much? They still died. It is still lives lost. Besides, most of these people are extremely gifted athletes. Have you ever climbed a mountain, or are you just criticizing others who have? I take issue with those who call people selfish just because they do things for themselves. Sometimes people should engage in activities for self fulfillment. Life isn't always about doing things for your children. You have to take care of your own needs as well, or you can't take care of your children adequately. That includes having fun. Oddly enough, life should include fun as well as work.
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Old 05-23-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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That's a mistake mountain climbers often make. Getting up is only half the battle. Actually it's less than half, because by the time the climber reaches the top and has to make the descent, they are suffering from the effects of oxygen deprivation, fatigue, and exposure already. Thus, they need to be sure they have the strength to also make it down, not just up. Weather and timing are important factors as well.

a concessionaire could make a killing with a stand up on top of the summit selling these to aid the summiteer's descent...

inflatable-zorb-ball

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Old 05-23-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Sometimes people should engage in activities for self fulfillment. I agree with this but not extreme life risking activities

Life isn't always about doing things for your children. You have to take care of your own needs as well, or you can't take care of your children adequately. If you're dead, you can't take care of them either


That includes having fun. Oddly enough, life should include fun as well as work. dying a horrid death is fun?
I think it's just stupid and it IS selfish.
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Old 05-23-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Most deaths on Everest are not due to altitude sickness.

Avalanches are the biggest killer. After that, falls, exposure and heart attacks all kill as many as altitude sickness (which is actually a blanket term for a number of maladies related to the oxygen-content and atmospheric pressure of high altitudes).

Interestingly, the fatality rate for Everest - ie, the number of deaths per 100 summit attempts - is a little over 1%.
This. The news reports this morning made it seem as though there is such a high risk of death in climbing Mt Everest. It's really VERY LOW compared to numerous other mountains, including but not limited to K2 and Annapurna, which for some reason do not receive nearly as much flack, despite fatality rates of 25% and 32% respectively.

Mt Everest is filled with tour guides, as well as quite a few safety protocols.
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Old 05-23-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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Judgmental much? They still died. It is still lives lost. Besides, most of these people are extremely gifted athletes. Have you ever climbed a mountain, or are you just criticizing others who have?
Are you referring to Everest in particualr, or high altitude technical mountain climbing in general?

The average climber on Everest might not be the same person as the average climber on say, K-2, or a host of other smaller , but challenging mountains. My guess is that the average climber on Everest is a wealthy person in good physical condition. That does not equate to being an "extremely gifted athelete". Rather, I have a suspiscion it means: "LA Fitness membership taken seriously for a year or two".
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Old 05-23-2016, 10:07 AM
 
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Everest is famous because its the tallest. There are many others .. Try KangrinPoqe, its the unclimbable..
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Old 05-23-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Everest is famous because its the tallest. There are many others .. Try KangrinPoqe, its the unclimbable..
Indeed it's the tallest, but not by much at all. K2 is only 200M shorter.
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Old 05-23-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Four people have died on Everest in the last few days, including one Sherpa. I don't understand people risking their lives; many with wives, husbands, children, parents, loved ones; just to say they reached the summit of a mountain.

Statistically, 1 in 20 people die trying. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...22448493,d.amc
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Old 05-23-2016, 10:26 AM
 
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I think it's just stupid and it IS selfish.
If you're doing something for your own pleasure and sense of accomplishment, by definition it's selfish.

To argue otherwise is just nonsensical.
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Old 05-23-2016, 11:04 AM
 
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Is it anymore selfish than sitting on the couch, eating cheetos and smoking a pack a day? I don't feel particularly sorry for these guys - they new the risks going in - but I have no problem with them taking the risk.


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I think it's just stupid and it IS selfish.
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