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Old 05-24-2016, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Outside of Chicago
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This is a legitimate concern not something to be laughed at. What we are seeing are the cartel drug wars spilling onto US soil and warning campers of the potential danger is like setting up a no go zone in a war.

The West is turning back into the "Old West" where there is danger out there from bandits and outlaws. The only thing the settlers (hikers) don't have to worry about is Indians.


It is crazy to think that we are actually losing parts of our country.
It's been here for a while and thousands of miles away from the border. What do you think is fueling Chicago's gang violence? There is a reason Chicago has a very good shot at hosting the El Chapo trial.
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Old 05-24-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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I lived on the border many years--I know exactly what PoppySeed is referring to. Our family and friends with ranches in the Rio Grande Valley don't go out on their own land unarmed. And they make sure their homes are well defended.

Most of these people aren't crossing the border to chase the American Dream. And while they used to confine their criminal behavior in the border states, it's spreading northward. It's international organized crime.
Exactly. Very high profit international organized crime, involving some very nasty people. The cartels already laugh at Mexican law; why should they respect ours? They go where they will and do what they will, and anyone who tries to interfere with them winds up dead. That includes hikers and campers who innocently stumble upon the cartels' illegal activities.

It's no joke. And as someone who loves to hike and who loves the desert, it saddens me to know that some of our national lands (like Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument) are effectively off-limits due to these thugs.
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Old 05-24-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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Just when you thought it was safe to go into the bush...

The Sheriff of Pinal County in AZ is warning people to carry guns while hiking in AZ - in case they encounter Cartel Assassins!

Hikers, campers warned about assassins in parts of Pinal County - ABC15 Arizona

Finally, a chance to bring out those "assault rifles."

While I think this is probably a bit "overkill," there apparently have been several gunfights in the area south of Phoenix, so it is a valid concern. But probably if you don't go stupid places, with stupid people and do stupid things, you won't get into a gunfight with "assassins."

Good hunting folks!
When my older brother lived south of Phoenix, he wore a holster with a pistol. This was 30 years ago, so it's nothing new.
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Old 05-24-2016, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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This is very scary.

It reminds me of the story of the young couple who were jetskiing on the lake that boarders Mexico and the husband was executed.
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Old 05-24-2016, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Border security should be a primary issue even before we talk about immigration reform,” said Dannels, who has spent more than 25 years in law enforcement along the border. “The biggest change from 1984 until current is the violence on the border.”
Arizona Ranchers Say Mexican Drug Lords Rule in U.S. Border Regions: ‘We’re Living By the Law Of the Cartels’ | TheBlaze.com

We have many border control agents, yet we don't listen to them. It's a frustrating job. I have two friends who's husbands work down there and the stories are endless. As a country, we should be doing so much more.
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Old 05-24-2016, 04:27 PM
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Location: Charleston, SC
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Well, the odds of Cletus or Billy Joe blowing off a few of their own toes, one of them accidentally shooting at the other one in the dark, or putting a bullet in their leg while 'cleaning their gun' (that's what they always tell the police when they were really practicing their Dirty Harry moves) are vastly higher than either of them bagging an assassin.

Be forewarned, hikers and campers! If you see these individuals, do not approach them! Remain still and wait for them to either leave or accidentally shoot themselves - whichever comes first.
There aren't too many Cletuses or Billy Joes in southern Arizona. The majority of the population is Mexican with a few Hondurans, Guatemalans, and other Hispanic populations thrown in. There are several large land owner rancher types, but I think your stereotypes have missed the mark on this one.
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Old 05-24-2016, 06:39 PM
 
Location: League City, Texas
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There are two options...
1) Legalize all drugs.
2) Put the national guard there with 24/7/365 drone surveillance and numerous check points.
It's not just drugs these people are using for profit--there is trafficking in people, fuel, etc. Drugs are just a portion of "the business".
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Old 05-24-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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Finally, a chance to bring out those "assault rifles."
I take exception to your use of this term good sir. At least you put it in quotation marks.

Any one who knows anything about firearms knows that an assault rifle is a rifle that is capable of firing more than one round with a single press of the trigger, something that requires a pretty hefty background check and special licensing from the ATF ($$$$$) to legally posses.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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Well, the odds of Cletus or Billy Joe blowing off a few of their own toes, one of them accidentally shooting at the other one in the dark, or putting a bullet in their leg while 'cleaning their gun' (that's what they always tell the police when they were really practicing their Dirty Harry moves) are vastly higher than either of them bagging an assassin.

Be forewarned, hikers and campers! If you see these individuals, do not approach them! Remain still and wait for them to either leave or accidentally shoot themselves - whichever comes first.
Yep. And you probably do not see the double standard of our current president claiming that we have too many firearms in the USA and wants to somehow curtail them on one side of his two faces, while the other side of his two faces making a speech removing the arms embargo from a communist country, Vietnam, so that they can defend themselves.



Common sense is gone, long gone.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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There are two options...
1) Legalize all drugs. <snip>
Yes. We should have learned back in the early part of the last century before any of us were born.
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