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Old 05-24-2016, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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I take exception to your use of this term good sir. At least you put it in quotation marks.

Any one who knows anything about firearms knows that an assault rifle is a rifle that is capable of firing more than one round with a single press of the trigger, something that requires a pretty hefty background check and special licensing from the ATF ($$$$$) to legally posses.
True enough. Only the Cartel posses these due to the lack of laws they need to follow to carry one. Would hate to be the hiker who ran into five guys and 5 assault weapons while I only had a rifle.
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Old 05-24-2016, 07:14 PM
Status: "Finally Done With C-D BYE BYE" (set 13 days ago)
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Yes. We should have learned back in the early part of the last century before any of us were born.
Yeppers, that pot legalization in CO has certainly stopped the black market in pot in CO, you betch'ya!
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Old 05-24-2016, 07:19 PM
 
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How many of you live in AZ? Oh, none. Huh.

Wondered, because none of you mentioned the new hilltop cameras the feds use. BP can sit and watch multiple places in very fine detail, then close in. Instead of roaming everywhere.

I've lived close to the border and near major smuggling routes before the cameras and after, it is different now. Never carried even in the wildest places, early morning isn't their time. Have caught the attention of a few helicopters.

Pinal is in the second row of counties from the border. This might seem close, but Cochise County in the SE corner is larger than Conn and RI combined. One county. There are whole mountain ranges contained in it.

Pinal is also on the north side of the Catalinas, not an easy walk, even for hikers. Weather on top comparable to British Columbia. By that point drugs and people are in a vehicle headed north or east, and they are most likely on I-10, not near a hiking trail. There are many places to offload before they get to Pinal (just look at how sparse the roads are and how much wild land there still is) and no reason to go through it, they'd be easy pickings.

More likely an election year in an uneventful county.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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How many of you live in AZ? Oh, none. Huh.

Wondered, because none of you mentioned the new hilltop cameras the feds use. BP can sit and watch multiple places in very fine detail, then close in. Instead of roaming everywhere.

I've lived close to the border and near major smuggling routes before the cameras and after, it is different now. Never carried even in the wildest places, early morning isn't their time. Have caught the attention of a few helicopters.

Pinal is in the second row of counties from the border. This might seem close, but Cochise County in the SE corner is larger than Conn and RI combined. One county. There are whole mountain ranges contained in it.

Pinal is also on the north side of the Catalinas, not an easy walk, even for hikers. Weather on top comparable to British Columbia. By that point drugs and people are in a vehicle headed north or east, and they are most likely on I-10, not near a hiking trail. There are many places to offload before they get to Pinal (just look at how sparse the roads are and how much wild land there still is) and no reason to go through it, they'd be easy pickings.

More likely an election year in an uneventful county.
You don't know what you're talking about.

The desert from the Mexican border up through the Papago/Tohoodom reservation into the developed area of Pinal County has been a corridor for drug-smuggling backpackers for many years. They were always supplied at points along the way with water and food, and now with cell phones they are in contact with their handlers the entire distance. These two links, of many that are available on the subject, should give some idea of the reality. One is recent helicopter footage of cartel lookouts fleeing from their observation point high on a mountain and ground footage showing the supplies--food, batteries, etc.--that they left behind.

The other is from 2010 and deals with two armed Mexicans who were ambushed and shot to death in that same desert area, reportedly by a cartel hit squad sent to deal with them for hijacking drug loads.

They called 911 but they could not get a chopper over the area in time to pin down the assassins. In their conversation with 911 they said they were "near where the deputy was shot". Wonder how they knew that?

Drug smugglers setup lookout points in Pinal County | KSAZ

2 in desert probably killed by smugglers, Pinal County Sheriff's Office says

CASA GRANDE - Investigators in Pinal County believe two men shot and killed in a remote desert area were ambushed by fellow smugglers.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Lt. Tamatha Villar says the men had been at a migrant camp in the desert south of Interstate 8 near Antelope Peak.


She says someone opened fire on them with an AK-47-type weapon on Sunday night, shooting each man once. One died immediately, but the other managed to get off six shots with an AR-15-type rifle.

The wounded man then used a cell phone to call for help. Villar says he talked to 911 dispatchers for nearly half an hour before he apparently died. He told them he was near the spot where a deputy was shot and wounded on April 30.

Both men are believed to be from Mexico.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:16 PM
 
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Same Antelope Peak desert area of Pinal County, this in 2011.

Pinal County shooting in desert leaves 1 dead, 1 wounded

One man was found dead and another man was wounded early Thursday morning in the Vekol Valley after a group apparently smuggling drugs was attacked by a rival group, according to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

• 12 people in 3 vehicles arrested during traffic stop

At about 2:15 a.m. a DPS officer responding to a 911 call at a rest stop near mile post 150 on Interstate 8 found a man with a gunshot wound. The 35-year-old victim, believed to be an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, told deputies he was travelling through the desert with 14 others believed to be undocumented immigrants when they stopped to rest. He said they were later approached by another group of individuals who opened fire on them.


The victim said he took off running after being shot, stopping at the rest area to call his daughter in Phoenix, according to the sheriff's office. The man was taken by helicopter to an area hospital.

Authorities discovered the body of the other victim, also believed to be about 35, about a half mile south of Interstate 8, during a search of the area by the Pinal County deputies and Department of Public Safety units. Border Patrol units also participated at the request of Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

It is believed the shooting occurred near Antelope Peak, about 25 miles west of Casa Grande, the sheriff's office said. Authorities say evidence found at the scene suggests that the 15 people who were attacked were smuggling drugs into the United States from Mexico.



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Old 05-24-2016, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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How many of you live in AZ? Oh, none. Huh.

Wondered, because none of you mentioned the new hilltop cameras the feds use. BP can sit and watch multiple places in very fine detail, then close in. Instead of roaming everywhere.

I've lived close to the border and near major smuggling routes before the cameras and after, it is different now. Never carried even in the wildest places, early morning isn't their time. Have caught the attention of a few helicopters.

Pinal is in the second row of counties from the border. This might seem close, but Cochise County in the SE corner is larger than Conn and RI combined. One county. There are whole mountain ranges contained in it.

Pinal is also on the north side of the Catalinas, not an easy walk, even for hikers. Weather on top comparable to British Columbia. By that point drugs and people are in a vehicle headed north or east, and they are most likely on I-10, not near a hiking trail. There are many places to offload before they get to Pinal (just look at how sparse the roads are and how much wild land there still is) and no reason to go through it, they'd be easy pickings.

More likely an election year in an uneventful county.
A few of us do, I'm one and I know of others on here that do. That's probably why we are on this thread. A few of my friends husbands work for border control.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Same Antelope Peak desert area of Pinal County, this in 2011.

Pinal County shooting in desert leaves 1 dead, 1 wounded

One man was found dead and another man was wounded early Thursday morning in the Vekol Valley after a group apparently smuggling drugs was attacked by a rival group, according to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

• 12 people in 3 vehicles arrested during traffic stop

At about 2:15 a.m. a DPS officer responding to a 911 call at a rest stop near mile post 150 on Interstate 8 found a man with a gunshot wound. The 35-year-old victim, believed to be an undocumented immigrant from Mexico, told deputies he was travelling through the desert with 14 others believed to be undocumented immigrants when they stopped to rest. He said they were later approached by another group of individuals who opened fire on them.


The victim said he took off running after being shot, stopping at the rest area to call his daughter in Phoenix, according to the sheriff's office. The man was taken by helicopter to an area hospital.

Authorities discovered the body of the other victim, also believed to be about 35, about a half mile south of Interstate 8, during a search of the area by the Pinal County deputies and Department of Public Safety units. Border Patrol units also participated at the request of Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

It is believed the shooting occurred near Antelope Peak, about 25 miles west of Casa Grande, the sheriff's office said. Authorities say evidence found at the scene suggests that the 15 people who were attacked were smuggling drugs into the United States from Mexico.



Read more: Pinal County shooting in desert leaves 1 dead, 1 wounded
Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, whose county lies at the center of major drug and alien smuggling routes to Phoenix and cities east and west, attests to the violence. He said his deputies are outmanned and outgunned by drug traffickers in the rough-hewn desert stretches of his own county.

“Mexican drug cartels literally do control parts of Arizona,” he said. “They literally have scouts on the high points in the mountains and in the hills and they literally control movement. They have radios, they have optics, they have night-vision goggles as good as anything law enforcement has.

“This is going on here in Arizona,” he said. “This is 70 to 80 miles from the border - 30 miles from the fifth-largest city in the United States.”
Signs in Arizona warn of smuggler dangers - Washington Times

He said he asked the Obama administration for 3,000 National Guard soldiers to patrol the border, but what he got were 15 signs.

Whew, we got signs a few years ago warning us of our doom. Great!
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:50 PM
 
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Yet another cartel killing in the Vekol Valley of Pinal County. Remember, this is a completely unpopulated area, and there are people on this thread who don't understand why there are concerns about the public using it for recreational purposes.

https://www.inmaricopa.com/dead-man-...-vekol-valley/

Pinal County deputies have discovered the body of a man believed to be an illegal immigrant less than 20 miles from the city of Maricopa.

According to a release issued late Friday by the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office, a U.S. Bureau of Land Management ranger located the corpse last Monday south of I-8 in the area known as the Vekol Valley.

The ranger came upon the body when he was in the area helping the U.S. Border Patrol track a group of suspects carrying backpacks believed to be full of drugs.

The deceased Hispanic man was found laying face down on top of a loaded AK-47 assault rifle. According to Sheriff’s Department spokesman Tim Gaffney, he appeared to have been dead for at least one week.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Some ranchers put up their own cameras to watch illegals tromp through there property with loads of drugs and guns. This is what Arizona thinks about when people talk about illegals.
Hidden Cameras Capture Smugglers Crossing Border 'No-Man's Land' - NBC News
Here's another hidden camera in AZ, just watching the illegals tromp on through with drugs, no biggie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfxz5lHfCiE

You can't tell me we can do nothing about this. We IGNORE this.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:05 PM
 
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More recently in the desert of Pinal County:

Shootouts may signal change in smuggling tactics - CBS 5 - KPHO

CASA GRANDE, AZ (CBS5) -
Two shootouts in the desert south of Phoenix may indicate the Sinaloa Drug Cartel is ordering its smugglers to ramp up violence in an effort to protect drug shipments, according to multiple law enforcement sources who spoke to CBS 5 Investigates. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk to the media about the incidents.

The first shootout occurred on April 7 in the desert near Arizona City, according to a statement given to CBS 5 Investigates in response to questions about the incident. The statement says Border Patrol agents reported being fired upon as they attempted to intercept a group of suspected smugglers. The agents returned fire, arrested five suspects and seized nearly 500 pounds of marijuana...

One week later, Casa Grande Police pulled over a vehicle on Interstate 8 near the Vekol Valley. Inside the vehicle was a man who stated that he had been shot and stabbed in the desert.

Law enforcement sources tell CBS 5 Investigates they believe the injured man was part of a so-called "rip crew." These are bandits who attempt to steal drug shipments from smugglers. In this instance, the sources say the smugglers opened fire on the rip crew, and a fight ensued. The wounded man was transported to a Phoenix-area hospital for treatment. There may have been another man injured in that incident...
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