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Old 05-27-2016, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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Not callous....practical and realistic....and apparently the world needs more so we wouldn't have this epidemic of unwanted and/or feral cats and dogs, which can create health hazards.

I mean, really...what do you people think happens to animals who die? Do they go to doggie/kitty hell? And if you're one of those who thinks that all doggies and kitties go to heaven, well...you're just making their life better! *smh*
I sure hope you have no pets. The world needs more kind and compassionate people rather than practical and realistic. I don't believe in heaven or hell for any type of life. You can make it heaven or hell on earth.
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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My kitty was very happy and loved until she had to be put to sleep at 12 years of age because of health reasons. I stayed with her and petted her and talked softly to her while she went to sleep. My husband couldn't stay in there and cried like a baby when it was time. So, don't waste any worry over my pets!
So you obviously loved your kitty. Would you have liked for her to be stuck in a room and gassed to death?
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Ah, I see. It does seem like the animal protection laws in Taiwan need to be improved. Still, the vet's death comes down in the end to depression plus medical knowledge plus access to dangerous medications. If anything else had caused her to become suicidally depressed (relationship issues, financial problems, whatever), the results would have been the same.

And medical fields attract a high percentage of "save the world!" types, which doesn't help. It's not easy to accept the reality that some problems are simply bigger than you are, and you can't fix them (at least not on your own).
Not necessarily. In many Eastern cultures suicide is the traditional remedy to bringing shame to oneself and/or their family. We don't know what these bullies were saying to her, or about her family. She didn't have to be feeling depressed at all.

Honor is very important to some people. Appearance is everything.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...or-and-suicide

In America, and probably Europe too, suicide is linked to depression. Most Americans know they cant spend too much time worrying about what other people think. Western culture is very individualistic. Chinese culture is very communal. There is great importance placed on how others perceive you.

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Old 05-27-2016, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Not necessarily. In many Eastern cultures suicide is the traditional remedy to bringing shame to oneself and/or their family. We don't know what these bullies were saying to her, or about her family. She didn't have to be feeling depressed at all.

Honor is very important to some people. Appearance is everything.
That's just Japan.
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Old 05-27-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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Not necessarily. In many Eastern cultures suicide is the traditional remedy to bringing shame to oneself and/or their family. We don't know what these bullies were saying to her, or about her family. She didn't have to be feeling depressed at all.

Honor is very important to some people. Appearance is everything.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...or-and-suicide

In America, and probably Europe too, suicide is linked to depression. Most Americans know they cant spend too much time worrying about what other people think. Western culture is very individualistic. Chinese culture is very communal. There is great importance placed on how others perceive you.
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That's just Japan.
Japan is #17 in the world, though South Korea is #2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_suicide_rate

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Old 05-27-2016, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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That's just Japan.
Not at all. According to WHO, suicide in China accounts for 26% of all suicides worldwide. The only difference is the reason why they are committing suicide. China is big, but not big enough to deserve 1/4 of the world's self-inflicted deaths.

State statistics differ from actual statistics. In China, women are more likely to commit suicide than men. Traditionally, women are not viewed as valueable to a family as men, as is evidenced by their lack of women available for marriage today. Male babies being preferred during the 'one child' rule.

I would imagine some commit suicide due to depression, but due to the accepted culture's high regard for honor, they don't have to be depressed at all.

If you go back to 1800, America had much more regard for honor than they do today. Duels were legal killings that took place due to a feudalist approach to settle matters of honor = pistols/swords at dawn.
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Old 05-27-2016, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Japan is #17 in the world, though South Korea is #2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_suicide_rate

Mick
I mean the practice of honor suicide, that mostly happens in Japan. It's the samurai thing.

Korea is just a very stressful society, that's why they are so suicidal.


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Not at all. According to WHO, suicide in China accounts for 26% of all suicides worldwide. The only difference is the reason why they are committing suicide. China is big, but not big enough to deserve 1/4 of the world's self-inflicted deaths.

State statistics differ from actual statistics. In China, women are more likely to commit suicide than men. Traditionally, women are not viewed as valueable to a family as men, as is evidenced by their lack of women available for marriage today. Male babies being preferred during the 'one child' rule.

I would imagine some commit suicide due to depression, but due to the accepted culture's high regard for honor, they don't have to be depressed at all.

If you go back to 1800, America had much more regard for honor than they do today. Duels were legal killings that took place due to a feudalist approach to settle matters of honor = pistols/swords at dawn.
China accounts for 20% of all population world-wide, 26% isn't exactly overreaching. The suicide rate in China is nowhere close to the top of the list.

And why do people keep talking about China here? There are similarities between Taiwan and China, but there are just as many differences, if not more. It's so stupid to link this vet's suicide with ancient China's ideology or their authoritarian policies. Honor suicide has never been a thing in Taiwan, maybe it was when Japan was colonising us but that's it, and gender imbalance and one child rule were never Taiwan's issues. Taiwan's gender ratio is currently 99.57, which means there are more women than men.

She died because of depression, and her depression was caused by the poor animal protection system, that's it, end of discussion. Cultural norms played no part in her death.
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Old 05-28-2016, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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I mean the practice of honor suicide, that mostly happens in Japan. It's the samurai thing.

Korea is just a very stressful society, that's why they are so suicidal.



China accounts for 20% of all population world-wide, 26% isn't exactly overreaching. The suicide rate in China is nowhere close to the top of the list.

And why do people keep talking about China here? There are similarities between Taiwan and China, but there are just as many differences, if not more. It's so stupid to link this vet's suicide with ancient China's ideology or their authoritarian policies. Honor suicide has never been a thing in Taiwan, maybe it was when Japan was colonising us but that's it, and gender imbalance and one child rule were never Taiwan's issues. Taiwan's gender ratio is currently 99.57, which means there are more women than men.

She died because of depression, and her depression was caused by the poor animal protection system, that's it, end of discussion. Cultural norms played no part in her death.
Sorry, but, I don't agree, lol. *shrugs*

"Taiwan, officially the Republic of China (ROC), is a country in East Asia. The Republic of China, originally based in mainland China, has since 1945 governed the island of Taiwan, which constitutes more than 99% of its territory,[e] as well as Penghu, Kinmen, Matsu, and other minor islands, following its loss of the mainland China territory in 1949 in the Chinese Civil War. This remaining area is also called the "Free area of the Republic of China", which is not ruled by the Government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) in Beijing although only 22 countries officially recognize it."

Even if you want to claim Taiwanese never ever left their island or received any outside influence prior to 1945 (which would not be true but anyway), they have been a territory of (i.e. governed by) The Republic of China for 71 years at the time of the vet's suicide.

Here is a story of a Taiwanese video gammer who burned himself to death. The suicide stems from an argument with his father over video gaming.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1877856/tai...r-video-games/

"The police in Taiwan speculate that the stress of studies, finding a job, and other elements led to the suicide of Hsueh Jun-Chen. Psychology Today reminds readers that suicide is perceived in a different way than it is in western countries like the United States. It is entirely possible that Hsueh felt he would be less of a burden on his family, or that his death would erase a sense of “shame.” Whatever the reason, it was strong enough for a 22-year-old man to willingly kill himself in an extremely painful way."

If one has studied the math of Statistics, they know 1/5th is not closely related to 1/4th - and, that a 6% difference is considered 'significant'.

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Old 05-29-2016, 02:01 PM
 
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So you obviously loved your kitty. Would you have liked for her to be stuck in a room and gassed to death?
My kitty wasn't a stray.
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Old 05-29-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Taiwan is not Brazil, a few stray dogs and cats won't create a health hazard.
Sounds like they had more than a "few" if the vet was having to euthanize so many. And yes, too many stray cats and dogs create health hazards.

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