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Old 05-29-2016, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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And you get a nice full glass of red wine with your dinner for only 3,50!
Merci, mon aimee! I can feel my tense neck and shoulders relaxing already.
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Old 05-29-2016, 06:56 AM
 
Location: CT
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I love France. I know, its Politically Incorrect for an American to say, but its true. They go out of their way to make the citizens life as stress-free as possible. Bravo!
Unemployment rate (2015):

Germany= 4.7%
England= 5.4%
USA= 5.5%
France 10.5%

I'm pretty sure laws like this isn't going to help their employment problem. I guess socialized medical and education will make you a lot more stress free, even if you can't find a job.
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Old 05-29-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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No, France has not banned people from sending work emails after hours.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/julesdarman...ls-after-hours
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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Unemployment rate (2015):

Germany= 4.7%
England= 5.4%
USA= 5.5%
France 10.5%

I'm pretty sure laws like this isn't going to help their employment problem. I guess socialized medical and education will make you a lot more stress free, even if you can't find a job.
France just had massive strikes because the socialist government wants to make it easier for employers to lay off employees and wants to lengthen the 35 hour work week. France isn't competitive. All the big employers are abandoning the country. Thus the big unemployment problem.

I think there's some middle ground between the US way of doing things as one polar extreme and the French extreme on the other side. I work for a global Asian company and have worked for other Asian companies in the past. I get emails 24x7. I'm on the east coast. The California ones mostly stop at 8pm. The Asian ones start around then. The European ones often show up early in the morning. I have lots of 10pm conference calls. I telecommute. I can't not check my email as it comes in.

On the flip side, my employer lays people off via email. They pay on the 15th and last day of the month. You get an email on the 15th or last day of the month informing you that your next pay check will be your last one. Send your laptop and any equipment in. Get your expense report in. You get a FEDEX envelope with the termination letter the next day with the COBRA stuff. No severance pay. They pay accrued vacation time because they have to in most states. We're the only first world country that allows that kind of thing. All other countries in the first world have a severance pay law.

Similarly, it's kind of ironic that my Asian co-workers have statutory company holiday time, vacation time, and sick time that is more generous than what I receive. Not that mine is awful but most countries have laws that require it.

No other country would allow the common practice in the US where you can limit employees to 32 hour work weeks and declare them part time employees with no benefits. I've never had that imposed on me but I think that labor practice is grossly unfair. For a teenager at McDonald's? Sure. For a "real" job? Nope.
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Old 05-29-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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Well...it is France.
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Old 05-29-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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The way the US does it is better. You have to pay employees if you email them off hours.
(Of course, doesn't help FLSA exempt employees.)
when did that start, you dont have to pay them
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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i like having my boss email me or text me after work, letting me know where I have to be the next day
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Unemployment rate (2015):

Germany= 4.7%
England= 5.4%
USA= 5.5%
France 10.5%

I'm pretty sure laws like this isn't going to help their employment problem. I guess socialized medical and education will make you a lot more stress free, even if you can't find a job.
Well, I don't know how all those other countries work, but take Germany. I have been told it is illegal for a German citizen to be unemployed. Which means if someone loses their job, they have an obligation to look for another one. If they can't find one, the State has an obligation to find one for them, and, if the State cant find one for them, they automatically receive payment from the state to subsidize them until they can secure employment. They don't have to sell off all their assets to qualify.

England, I have no clue, but what I've heard doesn't sound as good as Germany, lol.

The US - If I lose my job - I am obligated to look for a job, while collecting a taxable insurance benefit (the only taxable insurance benefit in the US) called Unemployment Benefits. NOTE: My employer can challenge my collection of this benefit and force me to fight for it. The benefit generally provides half my normal income. Length of collecting the benefit varies but average is 24 weeks, then I collect nothing unless a nice president extends the time limit. In history, some have extended this benefit for up to two years that I am aware of.

That statistic of unemployment in the US of 5.5% only counts people who were collecting Unemployment in that year. Once the 24 weeks is up, they are no longer counted amongst the Unemployed - although it can take a year or two for them to find another job. Sometimes, they might not find another job. No one but them has any responsibility to help them in any way if they cant replace their job in 24 weeks.

Now, while collecting Unemployment (1/2 my accustomed pay for lower-waged workers - not sure what the max benefit is for high paid workers), I have to purchase myself Health Insurance, unless I am poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or a Medicaid HMO plan. THIS is the American idea of National Healthcare, lol.

If I don't buy my own, I have to save part of my half-pay not only for income tax payments by applicable jurisdiction (federal, state, city, local), but also for the tax that will be imposed on me for not purchasing my own health insurance, which is on an upward sliding scale annually, starting at $690 for a couple the first year.

If I don't own a home or a bit a land to at least set up a pup-tent on, I will be homeless or I can live in a homeless shelter. But, on the bright side, if I reach rock-bottom and have few to no assets, I will qualify for Welfare, Foodstamps and Medicaid.

I could go on but I wont, lol. It's sad enough already, don't you think?

But I can say I love America too - because everyone loves the land of their birth.
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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when did that start, you dont have to pay them
The first such cases were in 2006 (Schneider v. Landvest Corp., 2006 WL 322590 (D. Col. Feb. 9, 2006)).
2010 started the first wave of smartphone and remote login cases with the Lojack technician case (Rutti v. LoJack Corp. Inc., 596 F. 3d 1046 (9th Cir. 2010)), which Lojack won. Throughout 2010 and 2011 similar cases popped up, many by technicians for cell phone companies, and companies started losing them or settling.
Early last year (I think April or May?), there was a series of Department of Labor rulings finally establishing standards on when email usage was compensable, which has led to a new wave of class action lawsuits and lots of new company policies late last year into this year.
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Old 05-29-2016, 10:47 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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i like having my boss email me or text me after work, letting me know where I have to be the next day
A single email or text like that would fall under de minimis exceptions (brief pieces of work that cumulatively take less than 10 minutes a day). But if you replied back and the boss began exchange emails with you, it could quickly fall under compensable hours. And yeah, a lot of companies now would ban your boss from email you like that outside work hours.
Instead, it would be your boss's obligation to determine where you are working the next day before close of business the previous day.
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