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Old 05-30-2016, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Long Neck , DE
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Originally Posted by Javacoffee View Post
Well, let's weight what's more important. Baby? Gorilla?

You obviously haven't read anything about this incident beyond the comments on this page. The above commentator is correct. The gorilla grabbed the baby and began throwing him around like a rag doll.
That is not the way it looked on the news clips I have seen.

 
Old 05-30-2016, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I mean the video I saw was much more dramatic. At first, it looked like the gorilla might be protecting him but as he started dragging the boy through the water at a very fast pace - it becamse much more scary.

I wish that it never happened and I certainly am not crazy about zoos - but I think that the zookeepers had no choice in this one.

I blame the parents.



You know, that will really pi$$ me off. The zoo should counter-sue for the cost of the gorilla and the trauma the zookeepers had from having to shoot an animal they had cared for. If not that the parents should have lost a child that day and they should have let nature take its course.



Dude, they should have. They had absolutely no choice. I thought so too until I saw the whole video.

The true innocent is the baby toddler. Toddler's are stupid. I raised one.

Second in line is the gorilla - reacting like a normal gorilla.

To blame - 100% the parents. 100%.

Maybe they could have used a taser gun, there are taser guns with long range and they work the same way on other mammals.

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What reckless actions?
Failure to protect the gorilla from humans. Parents and the zoo should be held legally accountable.


That was a rare and innocent silverback gorilla put in captivity, there are many humans. Both the gorilla and child could have been saved had they used a taser gun.

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Old 05-30-2016, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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they should have distracted the gorilla with a banana, gorillas love bananas
 
Old 05-30-2016, 06:45 AM
 
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The parents need to pay for this death. They need to be at least fined and forced to pay restitution toward conservation. But given the sound of the mother's voice, I highly doubt the media or the zoo will have the guts to do anything to the parents. In fact, the media is doing their best to be PC and not make public their names or faces, for obvious reasons.

I agree that the parents should pay...and pay severely for their irresponsibility.

What are you hearing in the mother's voice that makes you jump to that conclusion? It's not so obvious to me.
 
Old 05-30-2016, 06:46 AM
 
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That was a rare and innocent silverback gorilla put in captivity, there are many humans. The parents should have lost a child that day, fu-k it. Maybe that will teach parents the cost of not supervising their kids at the zoo. Should have let nature take its course.
Another person drunk on PETA cool-aid (lets hope Bernie is not dispensing the same cool-aid).

Letting nature take its course (you know, survival of the fittest) would kill off all of the wild Silver Back gorilla with in a generation as nearly all Africans don't view them as characters from The Lion King. So, maybe, just maybe "letting nature take its course ideology", is not good for the gorillas in the long term- or near term for that matter.

As for the innocent animals, I would have ordered the marksmen to shoot not only the gorilla in question, but also to make independent judgment calls about the need to shoot other gorillas in the enclosure should they suddenly become threatening to the child. Next, the marksmen needs to be given a commendation. His skills are what are needed when a human predator takes another human hostage.

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Old 05-30-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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Another person drunk on PETA cool-aid (lets hope Bernie is not dispensing the same cool-aid).

Letting nature take its course (you know, survival of the fittest) would kill off all of the wild Silver Back gorilla with in a generation as nearly all Africans don't view them as characters from The Lion King. So, maybe, just maybe "letting nature take its course ideology", is not good for the gorillas in the long term- or near term for that matter.

As for the innocent animals, I would have ordered the marksmen to shoot not only the gorilla in question, but also to make independent judgment calls about the need to shoot other gorillas in the enclosure should they suddenly become threatening to the child. Next, the marksmen needs to be given a commendation. His skills are what are needed when a human predator takes another human hostage.
Then, maybe the marksman can take a page from your book, and turn around and shoot you as a public service to rid our society of a giant ars%^hole.

A silverback gorilla is not a human predator. You clearly did not pay attention in your high school biology class.
 
Old 05-30-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Then, maybe the marksman can take a page from your book, and turn around and shoot you as a public service to rid our society of a giant ars%^hole.

A silverback gorilla is not a human predator. You clearly did not pay attention in your high school biology class.
Reading English is not your forte is it? Then again, maybe English is not your first language. If this is the case, accept my apologies.

I never said the gorilla was a human predator (or a human anything for that matter). Rather, I just pointed out that the marksman's obvious skills in dealing with the non human gorilla (omnivore, but mostly herbivore) are also needed with human predators.

As for removal from society, I would advocate removing from society anyone who confuses the worth of a human child with the worth of a gorilla. This would lead to the deaths of several million deluded people in the USA alone. Apparently you would be included in this category. But... I value nearly all human life. This includes yours. As such, education, both in written English, and in the value of human life, are far better solutions.

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Old 05-30-2016, 07:27 AM
 
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In extreme situations, no, however, in many other instances, absolutely YES. There also should be a bit of latitude in that, I don't care what anybody says, even a reasonably vigilant parent can have a child they are actually trying to watch nonetheless slip away from them. It happens--again, I DON'T CARE who says "it never happened to me," I call bologna. It happens, even when parents are trying their best.

But yes, I think even a 3 year-old, except in the most extreme situations, SHOULD be held responsible for not doing as they were told and the consequences of their actions. I did this to my children on many occasions, including that I'd leave candy on my wife's desk well within their reach but STILL expect them to not touch it, I WOULD NOT put it up where they couldn't get to it, I'd leave it right there and discipline them if they touched it without permission. No, I didn't leave medicine there, I did draw the line there (and weapons were kept in another room in a locked drawer).

One incident similar to this happened to us years ago. My daughter at age 2 or so kept bugging this dog at a pet store, this dog was out in the open and sleeping, minding its own business, and she kept poking at its face and such. I told her "leave the dog alone," and for a short bit she would (so don't tell me she didn't understand), but then she went right back to it again. Finally after 2-3 times of this I just decided that ON PURPOSE I would do NOTHING and let the chips fall where they may. The dog proceeded to bark at her but not bite her, but it startled her, and she started crying, and I told her "serves you right, it's YOUR FAULT, maybe next time you'll do what I tell you to do and stop being so stubborn." She never did it again.

My son age 3 kept taking his shoes off in the car, I'd tell him over and over "stop taking your shoes off in the car." He'd put them back on, only to then take them off again. One day I decided to just say nothing, he took them off, got out of the car, stepping onto hot pavement (it was probably 95'F and sunny). He lunged to the car to get his shoes, I flat-out locked the doors with the remote making him stand right there for 10-15 seconds while I got on him "did I give you MY PERMISSION to take your shoes off? I don't care what you want, this is what will happen to you unless you do what I TELL YOU TO DO." He never did it again.

So don't tell me that a 3 year old doesn't understand what he's doing. Of course he does. He's just being a stubborn bull-headed brat who needs to learn to control his/her impulses.

No, I don't think this child deserved to be mauled to death as a "consequence of their actions," they did what they had to do because yes a child is more important than an animal and because yes there is a limit as to how far a parent should let a child experience the consequences of their choices. HOWEVER, to the extent that maybe he got a good scare put in him, I say GOOD that it happened the way it did. Maybe next time when someone tells him to not do whatever, maybe he'll freaking LISTEN and OBEY. (No, I would not have let it get this far, but I can promise you that upon seeing him try I'd taken him to the little boy's room, checked to see there were no cameras, and tore his butt up good).

I would hold the parents responsible IF it were found that they did just let him go in there to learn the consequences of his actions, because even I think that would be taking it too far, and I'd also hold them responsible if they weren't the type to discipline their child for not obeying them and that such made him feel like he could just waltz in there. However, I would NOT hold them responsible if they make reasonable efforts to control the situation but he managed to slip in there anyway on account of his own stubbornness.
Letting a two year old repeatedly poke a dog in the face as a lesson? Only difference between you and a parent with a huge hospital bill is pure dumb luck. And if the dog had bitten her, who would have born the consequences? Your kid and the dog when the blame should have been all yours.
 
Old 05-30-2016, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Parents have NO excuse to not have control of their child at ALL times. Don't have more kids than you can manage!
 
Old 05-30-2016, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Concord NC
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they should have distracted the gorilla with a banana, gorillas love bananas
They need one in a "Break Glass in Case of..." box.
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