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Old 06-01-2016, 12:00 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Even if it is OK to go out of your way to run over a guy sitting on a motorcycle. How is it OK to injure or kill the woman on the back?
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Old 06-01-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: East of the Appaichans
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The driver of that car is so $*(#(*@@(# dumb.
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:35 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Not unreasonable? He instigated a violent action when he could have drove away and called 911. What he did was stupid and a felony. He had other options.
Umm, I'm not so sure. Remember the Land Rover driver who ran over the motorcyclists in NYC a couple of years ago? He was in the SUV with his family. He was being intimidated by a group of motorcyclists who blocked his way on the Henry Hudson Parkway. He panicked, and drove over a couple of them. The guy in the Land Rover wasn't charged. 15 motorcyclists were arrested.

It's hard to get the whole story from that video. It's hard to tell if there was something blocking the way directly ahead of him. I don't think this can be dismissed as road rage. I think the guy was scared, and he panicked. From that video, we can't tell what his options were.

I'm not saying he was right to do what he did. If I had some big bearded idiot on a Harley in my face intimidating me, I'd have called 911. But that's me.

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Old 06-01-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Not unreasonable? He instigated a violent action when he could have drove away and called 911. What he did was stupid and a felony. He had other options.

I wouldn't be so sure about your assessment. It will ultimately be up to a jury to decide and I would be willing to bet that at least one member of that jury will have seen bikers acting like thugs more than once. You have a burly, leather clad biker with a group of his fellow leather clad bikers all looking and acting like wannabe 1%ers, verbally confronting and threatening the driver of the car for what they claimed was poor driving. There is no provision in the law for vigilante bikers to hand out beatdowns for what they perceive as dangerous driving. Since the bikers had already proven that they were aggressive and willing to become violent and they were on motorcycles and could have simply chased the car down if he drove away, I would consider it totally reasonable to drive over the ringleader and hope that it took some of the fight out of a gang of feral Harley riders.


What I find really interesting is that if the car driver had been armed with a gun and shot the biker instead, he would almost certainly not be facing any charges due to Florida's self defense laws. To most people, a large leather clad biker that is being verbally aggressive, using profanity and telling you to get out of your car would be considered a threat and justify the use of deadly force.
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Umm, I'm not so sure. Remember the Land Rover driver who ran over the motorcyclists in NYC a couple of years ago? He was in the SUV with his family. He was being intimidated by a group of motorcyclists who blocked his way on the Henry Hudson Parkway. He panicked, and drove over a couple of them. The guy in the Land Rover wasn't charged. 15 motorcyclists were arrested.

It's hard to get the whole story from that video. It's hard to tell if there was something blocking the way directly ahead of him. I don't think this can be dismissed as road rage. I think the guy was scared, and he panicked. From that video, we can't tell what his options were.

I'm not saying he was right to do what he did. If I had some big bearded idiot on a Harley in my face intimidating me, I'd have called 911. But that's me.

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UPDATE: The Florida Highway Patrol has amended the charges against Robert Vance. He is now charged with two counts of attempted murder. Vance is still charged with leaving the scene of a crash with injury and driving with a suspended license. Florida Highway Patrol says Vance is classified as a habitual traffic offender.

Vance has an extensive criminal history that includes two stints in state prison. Hes been convicted previously on drug, burglary and felony traffic charges out of Brevard County.

Still think the guy was just scared. You can try to defend the idiot all you want but the fact is he backed up to run over the couple on the bike. Sounds like rage to me.
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I wouldn't be so sure about your assessment. It will ultimately be up to a jury to decide and I would be willing to bet that at least one member of that jury will have seen bikers acting like thugs more than once. You have a burly, leather clad biker with a group of his fellow leather clad bikers all looking and acting like wannabe 1%ers, verbally confronting and threatening the driver of the car for what they claimed was poor driving. There is no provision in the law for vigilante bikers to hand out beatdowns for what they perceive as dangerous driving. Since the bikers had already proven that they were aggressive and willing to become violent and they were on motorcycles and could have simply chased the car down if he drove away, I would consider it totally reasonable to drive over the ringleader and hope that it took some of the fight out of a gang of feral Harley riders.


What I find really interesting is that if the car driver had been armed with a gun and shot the biker instead, he would almost certainly not be facing any charges due to Florida's self defense laws. To most people, a large leather clad biker that is being verbally aggressive, using profanity and telling you to get out of your car would be considered a threat and justify the use of deadly force.
The car diver was already a felon. Carrying a gun is automatic jail.
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Old 06-01-2016, 02:58 PM
 
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Not unreasonable? He instigated a violent action when he could have drove away and called 911. What he did was stupid and a felony. He had other options.
I think there was a car in front of him and he had no where to go.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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I think there was a car in front of him and he had no where to go.
You think there was a car in front of him doesn't prove there was one there. He backed up to run over the bike.
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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Hard for me to find sympathy for a motorcyclist most of them are complete a holes. From harley riders to crotch rockets. The harleys ripping up quiet residential neighborhoods giving people heart attacks with the noise. Crotch rockets racing up the highway driving between cars and on the shoulder when traffic is backed up. Plenty of stories.

I also find it funny when they are stopped at a light they always feel the need to have a conversation with each other while they are waiting for the light to change
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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You think there was a car in front of him doesn't prove there was one there. He backed up to run over the bike.

Hahaha! Did I say it proved anything?

It MAY have explained why he backed up, and then ran into the lane of the motorcycle. That's pretty much what I would have done if I was blocked in and there were a bunch of bikers that were confronting me that I thought might be armed and life-threatening.
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