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Old 06-05-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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Old 06-05-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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Money talks. If this woman's mother truly was a Microbiologist, that means her family had money, and connections. If said woman had a means to come to the US, pay her own way, and medical procedures for her baby, what is the problem? People travel around the world to get medical procedures who can pay for them.

What I would really like to know is how many US Citizen Women who have Zika have delivered babies with this? Crickets. No word whatsoever. Media is only talking about an immigrant, not US citizen. Tell us the numbers of US Citizens!!!!!!

Yet, we have one poster talking about not only vaccine for this (years away at best), but BOOSTERS. Gimme a break, dear poster. That vaccine is YEARS away IF it ever happens for financial reasons, let alone boosters. Your Pharm Reps are not going to spend billions of dollars purely out of the goodness of their hearts if it is not PROFITABLE to them. Where is the Universal West Nile Vaccine?
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Old 06-05-2016, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Subconscious Syncope, USA (Northeastern US)
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Money talks. If this woman's mother truly was a Microbiologist, that means her family had money, and connections. If said woman had a means to come to the US, pay her own way, and medical procedures for her baby, what is the problem? People travel around the world to get medical procedures who can pay for them.

What I would really like to know is how many US Citizen Women who have Zika have delivered babies with this? Crickets. No word whatsoever. Media is only talking about an immigrant, not US citizen. Tell us the numbers of US Citizens!!!!!!

Yet, we have one poster talking about not only vaccine for this (years away at best), but BOOSTERS. Gimme a break, dear poster. That vaccine is YEARS away IF it ever happens for financial reasons, let alone boosters. Your Pharm Reps are not going to spend billions of dollars purely out of the goodness of their hearts if it is not PROFITABLE to them. Where is the Universal West Nile Vaccine?
There are no reported native cases of ZIKA in the 48 continuous United States. There are 617 travel-associated cases reported in different states for 2015-2016. How many are actual US citizens? I don't know. Is it impossible for infected mosquitoes to enter the US through Ports of Entry? I doubt it, but it hasn't happened yet, as far as anyone is aware.

If the baby was born here, there is nothing forcing the babies family to pay for its care if they don't want to. I honestly don't blame anyone with the means to get here for putting forth the effort. It's the best chance for survival of the mother and baby, and everyone in the world knows it. These people are not responsible for OUR laws. On the plus side, it gives doctors here a chance to study the virus, and its victims.

I could be wrong, but I don't think this baby is considered an automatic citizen anymore. Recent efforts to deport people who did the same thing, with no ZIKA, would make it seem that that status has changed.

Zika Virus General Information

Zika virus disease (Zika) is a disease caused by Zika virus that is spread to people primarily through the bite of an infected Aedes species mosquito. The most common symptoms of Zika are fever, rash, joint pain, and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika. For this reason, many people might not realize they have been infected. Once a person has been infected, he or she is likely to be protected from future infections.

http://epi.publichealth.nc.gov/zika/


It seems that if you are not pregnant, you really have nothing to fear from the virus.

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Old 06-05-2016, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Money talks. If this woman's mother truly was a Microbiologist, that means her family had money, and connections. If said woman had a means to come to the US, pay her own way, and medical procedures for her baby, what is the problem? People travel around the world to get medical procedures who can pay for them.

What I would really like to know is how many US Citizen Women who have Zika have delivered babies with this? Crickets. No word whatsoever. Media is only talking about an immigrant, not US citizen. Tell us the numbers of US Citizens!!!!!!

Yet, we have one poster talking about not only vaccine for this (years away at best), but BOOSTERS. Gimme a break, dear poster. That vaccine is YEARS away IF it ever happens for financial reasons, let alone boosters. Your Pharm Reps are not going to spend billions of dollars purely out of the goodness of their hearts if it is not PROFITABLE to them. Where is the Universal West Nile Vaccine?
CDC says 157 pregnant women in US test positive for Zika | Fox News

There are Americans who have had Zika during pregnancy. Outcomes have not been reported yet.

Yes, it may take a while to have a Zika vaccine, and we do not know whether one will need boosters. The point of your post?

West Nile vaccine:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...linical-trials


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There are no reported native cases of ZIKA in the 48 continuous United States. There are 617 travel-associated cases reported in different states for 2015-2016. How many are actual US citizens? I don't know. Is it impossible for infected mosquitoes to enter the US through Ports of Entry? I doubt it, but it hasn't happened yet, as far as anyone is aware.

If the baby was born here, there is nothing forcing the babies family to pay for its care if they don't want to. I honestly don't blame anyone with the means to get here for putting forth the effort. It's the best chance for survival of the mother and baby, and everyone in the world knows it. These people are not responsible for OUR laws. On the plus side, it gives doctors here a chance to study the virus, and its victims.

I could be wrong, but I don't think this baby is considered an automatic citizen anymore. Recent efforts to deport people who did the same thing, with no ZIKA, would make it seem that that status has changed.

Zika Virus General Information

Zika virus disease (Zika) is a disease caused by Zika virus that is spread to people primarily through the bite of an infected Aedes species mosquito. The most common symptoms of Zika are fever, rash, joint pain, and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually donít get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika. For this reason, many people might not realize they have been infected. Once a person has been infected, he or she is likely to be protected from future infections.

NC DPH: Zika Virus


It seems that if you are not pregnant, you really have nothing to fear from the virus.
Yes, the baby is now a citizen. Lifetime care could cost in the millions.

We do not need for these babies to be born here in order to study the effects of Zika. Based on what happens with similar viruses, immunity after infection may be lifelong, but the scientists are not sure of that yet.
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Old 06-05-2016, 07:59 PM
 
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I already answered the question, but I'll play. Are you anti-American?
Who are you to question anyone's "Americanness"? This child is a natural born American citizen with all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:01 PM
 
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Yes, a cure is unlikely.

This disease is not like HIV, for example, which usually does not cross the placenta. By the time Zika, which is already known to cross the placenta throughout pregnancy, is diagnosed, the fetus has already been exposed. With HIV, treating the mother to reduce viral load and treating the baby with anti-HIV drugs at birth can help keep the baby from being infected. That will not work with Zika.

In addition, Zika only affects the fetus if it is acquired during pregnancy. Again, by the time a mom knows she has it (and 20% of those who get it never know they had it), the baby has already been exposed. Lowering the viral load at that point would not be helpful. Those women who are infected prior to pregnancy will clear the virus and it will no longer be a threat to the baby. There is no chronic carrier state such as that with HIV and hepatitis B and C. It is not yet known how long protective antibodies last after Zika infection resolves. That is important to know, because it gives a baseline for vaccine developers. If the protection after wild infection is short lived, a vaccine might have to involve frequent boosters.

Viral load is not measured by antibody levels. You have to measure the virus itself. In addition, testing for Zika is currently difficult. Antibodies to Zika are hard to differentiate from antibodies to dengue with current technology.
You continually just make rings up medically.

Reducing viral load will not "work" at reducing risk of fetal transmission? Based on what? Because even actually infectious disease doctors and scientists don't know that yet.
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:03 PM
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Who are you to question anyone's "Americanness"? This child is a natural born American citizen with all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
Ha! When someone questions whether or not I'm Christian - I'm going to ask if they're anti-American.

Since you're playing c-d Barney Fife this evening, I'll just wait here while you go chastise the person who started this interrogation, as well as the one who chimed in asking the same question.
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:16 PM
 
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There are no reported native cases of ZIKA in the 48 continuous United States. There are 617 travel-associated cases reported in different states for 2015-2016. How many are actual US citizens? I don't know. Is it impossible for infected mosquitoes to enter the US through Ports of Entry? I doubt it, but it hasn't happened yet, as far as anyone is aware.

If the baby was born here, there is nothing forcing the babies family to pay for its care if they don't want to. I honestly don't blame anyone with the means to get here for putting forth the effort. It's the best chance for survival of the mother and baby, and everyone in the world knows it. These people are not responsible for OUR laws. On the plus side, it gives doctors here a chance to study the virus, and its victims.

I could be wrong, but I don't think this baby is considered an automatic citizen anymore. Recent efforts to deport people who did the same thing, with no ZIKA, would make it seem that that status has changed.

Zika Virus General Information

Zika virus disease (Zika) is a disease caused by Zika virus that is spread to people primarily through the bite of an infected Aedes species mosquito. The most common symptoms of Zika are fever, rash, joint pain, and conjunctivitis (red eyes). The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week after being bitten by an infected mosquito. People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital, and they very rarely die of Zika. For this reason, many people might not realize they have been infected. Once a person has been infected, he or she is likely to be protected from future infections.

NC DPH: Zika Virus


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Not necessarily. This would also include younger people with compromised immune systems from various chronic illnesses.

Are the elderly at risk from the Zika virus? News Desk

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/zika-vir...mised-patients
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:25 PM
 
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Stick a fork in it, it's done.


Infant was born on American soil and thus is automatically a citizen. That brings entitlement to Medicaid for the disability and a host of other funding that will continue for the whole of the child's life. It is highly unlikely the mother will return to Honduras now, as that place will not provide no where near the level of *welfare* available in New Jersey. If the family is well off they could self fund, but still likely won't equal level of what will be provided free and or nil cost here.
Sorry, but this attitude is part of the problem. There is a flaw in the system that allowed this to happen in the first place and in my opinion, and the opinion of many others', it needs to be addressed. Saying "oh well it's over with now deal with it" every time it happens does nothing and allows it to keep happening. This type of thing should not happen. A mother from another country who KNOWS her baby has debilitating birth defects as a result of a virus should NOT be allowed to walk into this country, give birth, and have her and her child (mostly and definitively her child) be eligible for benefits on NJ's or America's dime, and be able to stay here just to reap our benefits. It is not fair and it is not right.

We have a bigger issue on our hands than this baby. It's called the 14th Amendment and it's what allows this type of scenario to happen. It's an unintended loophole in the system. The 14th Amendment was never intended for situations like this, and everyone knows it. It was created to address former slaves after the Civil War, regarding making them citizens when prior they weren't even considered a full person. Unfortunately the wording however can be taken out of context and become a free for all.
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Old 06-05-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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Who are you to question anyone's "Americanness"? This child is a natural born American citizen with all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
And that is the problem. Ireland has been taking in refugees for years, mostly from Nigeria. They have caused a lot of problems. Coming into Ireland pregnant or getting pregnant and the baby is now an Irish citizen.

So you know what they did? They changed the law, both parents now have to be Irish citizens for at least 3 years. No more arriving in Ireland and dropping out a baby and it's a automatic citizen.

A shame the US doesn't wise up.


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Sorry, but this attitude is part of the problem. There is a flaw in the system that allowed this to happen in the first place and in my opinion, and the opinion of many others', it needs to be addressed. Saying "oh well it's over with now deal with it" every time it happens does nothing and allows it to keep happening. This type of thing should not happen. A mother from another country who KNOWS her baby has debilitating birth defects as a result of a virus should NOT be allowed to walk into this country, give birth, and have her and her child (mostly and definitively her child) be eligible for benefits on NJ's or America's dime, and be able to stay here just to reap our benefits. It is not fair and it is not right.

We have a bigger issue on our hands than this baby. It's called the 14th Amendment and it's what allows this type of scenario to happen. It's an unintended loophole in the system. The 14th Amendment was never intended for situations like this, and everyone knows it. It was created to address former slaves after the Civil War, regarding making them citizens when prior they weren't even considered a full person. Unfortunately the wording however can be taken out of context and become a free for all.
Absolutely! Saying "oh well" and shrugging your shoulders isn't the answer.
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