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Old 06-12-2016, 10:03 AM
Location: New Mexico
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
It's not an issue of cost. It's a matter of the nature of wilderness parks.


The national parks do not need to be sealed beneath an idiot-proof cap.
Exactly so. The National Park Service needs more attention, more budget, more personnel - & to catch up on long-postponed maintenance. In terms of safety, TMK they've done everything reasonable. & we - the US - don't fund them lavishly enough to idiot-proof everything. That's what DVDs & the Internet are for.

Larry Niven wrote a SF short story Safe at any speed decades ago. Basically, it's a technological fix for potential travel accidents. Our technology may someday actually make all kinds of accidents & threats perfectly safe - & that would be the end of human storytelling & drama.

Esthetically, there would be very little left to say that we would find intelligible. Conflict - man v. man, man v. nature, man v. society - is usually @ the heart of any story. Take that away, & you have a perfect still life - interesting to contemplate, perhaps, but only for a finite time. It's the basic critique of the notion of Heaven - once you get there, How do you while away the millennia?

TMK, no one has come up with a satisfactory answer - likely because we're still human, & haven't attained the elevated state of mind or soul required. Until the day of our transfiguration, then, we need wild places, to visit & consider environments & biospheres that are, @ best, indifferent to man & society.
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Old 06-12-2016, 12:25 PM
Status: "Even better than okay" (set 12 days ago)
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Albert_The_Crocodile View Post
They already are well-patrolled. This guy was an idiot - he willfully and deliberately ignored numerous warning signs, chose a spot where there were no rangers to stop him, and put himself in a position where his horrible death was inevitable. He had to work pretty damned hard to kill himself in spite of all the safety measures in place at Yellowstone. Short of assigning a personal escort to every park visitor, or just closing the whole park down, there is nothing more that could be done to prevent stupid people from killing themselves.

It's a sad and terrible thing, but it's not because other people weren't doing enough to keep him fom killing himself. He has nobody to blame but himself, and of course his equally imbecilic sister for going along with him instead of talking some sense into him. She's as much to blame for this as he is. She was the only other human being who had a chance to stop him, and she did not do it.
I agree, Croc. People sometimes just practice willful stupidity. The son-in-law of the guy my ex-husband works with drowned at Sandy Hook in NJ a few years ago. He was 28, standing holding his toddler at a spot where the ground underwater drops off from 3 feet to 15 feet. He couldn't swim. Stepped into the deep. Wife waded out and grabbed the baby but he drowned. RIGHT NEXT TO A SIGN THAT SAYS "DANGER--NO SWIMMING IN THIS AREA." Sandy Hook is a long peninsula with many safe beaches--but he had to go in the water where the sign says not to go?
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Old 06-12-2016, 02:10 PM
Location: New Mexico
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Default Ready for my close-up, Mr. DeMille

Originally Posted by JustJulia View Post
"Bucolic legend" ... well played, sir (or madam).
Tks! & here's the critter in question:

See https://blogs.libraries.indiana.edu/...2/16/only-you/

"The Smokey Bear campaign dates back to 1944, and is the longest continuously running public service campaign in the United States.

"According to SmokeyBear.com, interest in preventing wildfires in the U.S. really began during WWII when a Japanese submarine fired on an oil field very near the Los Padres National Forest in California. Suddenly, protecting National Forests became part of the war effort. Posters from the WWII era make this pretty clear:

"The first wildfire prevention animal was not, however, a bear. After the success of the Disney movie ďBambiĒ in 1942, the Forest Service leased Bambiís image for one year to kick start a wildfire awareness campaign. However, after the one year lease was up, the Forest Service had to find a non-copyrighted furry forest animal to be the face of their campaign.

"While the Smokey campaign began in 1944, the REAL Smokey didnít come onto the scene until 1950. During a forest fire in New Mexico, a tiny bear cub was found clinging to a charred tree. He was rescued from the fire, but suffered severe burns. The cub was flown to Santa Fe for veterinary treatment, where he was nursed back to health.

Smokey Bear and his vetís daughter"

(My emphasis - more detail @ the URL)

& so this whole bear/child meshuga goes back to the inscrutable East. Our interest in preventing forest fires - IMO - goes back to the IJ fire/explosive balloon attacks, aimed @ the Pacific NW. That kinda fizzled, but we - the US - started looking @ the forests as something to protect - a kinda national asset, as it were.

& Disney had extracted its pound of flesh (venison?) with Bambi. So the Forest Service called in the understudy (contractual obligations, sweetheart, it's not you!) - & a star was born!tm
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Old 06-12-2016, 03:02 PM
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It's simple Darwin this guy if he hadn't been killed there he would have been killed doing something else stupid. You can't keep stupid people from being killed by protecting them like a nanny state mentality of Europe.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:46 AM
Location: Londonderry, NH
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There is a resident Elk herd at Mammoth Hot Springs in YNP. The rangers spend a lot of their time trying to keep the tourists from petting the "pretty tame deer". We were there at the start of rut and that 8 point bull looked anything but tame.

I am surprised so few fall into the boiling pools as a result of fainting due to the altitude, age and/or infirmities.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:00 AM
Location: Bel Air, California
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Originally Posted by gunslinger256 View Post
I blame it on the fact that iphones don't have a strong enough zoom lens and to get those precious instagram posts, a body has to get his feet wet.
well if they'd let people bring their drones in and fly them over for a better look see...
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:08 AM
Location: Rutherfordton,NC
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Just waiting for places to be closed down because people's stupidly.
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